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MountainMan, than you for the encouraging words.
Jonte, no need to be saddened. My model of the Patch will not show it as it is nowadays. My layout is a "what if" model of the Patch. That means that my structures will look much more like they looked in the days when those industries and warehouses were still served by rail and not like today after being turned into apartment and office buildings. I prefer the look of modern rolling stock that is why I model the modern era, but I like old industrial structures. I think it both goes together well. I want to run my ATSF zebra stripe Baldwin switchers on this layout from time to time and it will be easy to backdate the layout so that they won’t look out of place.
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Gary S Wrote:Very ingenious! I think most of us would be scared to get the plaster anywhere close to a turnout. But you've obviously done enough plaster work to know what you can do with it. That's a good lesson for the rest of us... repeated use and practice with any hobby medium will increase skill and confidence. Before ya know it, you're an "old hand" at it.
I tell you, I was a little nervous before pouring plaster all over the turnout, but I told myself that after taking these precautions it would turn out well … but if you think I have repeatedly used plaster so that I knew what I could do with it, you are totally wrong  . In the past I avoided working with plaster whenever I could – kind of hate that stuff. I prefer to work with "clean" materials like cardboard and styrene. I am just the kind of guy who likes to try out new things and jumps right in.
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Kurt, I was thinking back to the hydrocal building you built, and the street from the last layout where you had done something similar to what you are doing now.
But I bet you're confident now, eh? 
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LOL! You change your mind about as often as I do Kurt! 
Looks like you are off to another great start. 
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Kurt I am so glad you are back, just in time to assist me with new ideas for my build... 
I like that plaster, not 100% happy witht the styrene I have used, gaps are not full like they would be in real life.. What plaster did you use and how long after you poured did you clear the flanges away?
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Gary, I forgot about those hydrocal buildings, but it seems to be something completely different to cast some walls for a structure or to spread plaster over a large area of your layout. ....Oh, I am always confident ... and if it goes wrong, I start anew  .
Jack, that is a great pic. It is scenes like this that make urban modeling so interesting.
Tetters, life would be boring without a little change from time to time  . But I don’see it so much as changing my mind this time. The last two layouts did not work out as I wanted them to, so I was still looking for the right one. I hope I have found it now.
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How on earth did I miss this thread? I swear it only just showed up in my 'active threads' overview :-)
As many have said, another great project. I am not sure if I had the patience to scribe all those details into plaster though, that looks like it's going to take forever. The urge to see results is my biggest enemy :-)
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Callum, I fear it won’t help you to tell you the brand of plaster I used, because it won’t be available in your country. I think any plaster will do, but I prefer a slow curing plaster – makes it easier to work with. The plaster I am using takes an hour before it is starting to set. I cleared the flanges away when the plaster was not soft anymore but still wet.
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torikoos Wrote:I am not sure if I had the patience to scribe all those details into plaster though, that looks like it's going to take forever.
Koos, it is not as bad as you may think .
Anyway, today I took a break from carving plaster. I started to build the first warehouse: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=los+angeles,+palmetto+st&hl=de&ll=34.04039,-118.232999&spn=0.015256,0.033023&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&layer=c&cbll=34.04039,-118.232999&panoid=3FPnyFCD3JUTjMZEm8UJ3Q&cbp=13,327.68,,0,-5.5&t=h&z=16">http://maps.google.com/maps?q=los+angel ... 5&t=h&z=16</a><!-- m -->. It has been turned into an office building, so I am building it as I found it in pics from the 1930s and 1960s with a line of loading doors in the wall facing the track. Though I shortened the structure by about 1/7, it is still 18.9" long
As usual I first did a scale drawing, printed it out and glued the printout to a .060" sheet of styrene. If anyone would like to build this warehouse, the drawing can be downloaded here (PDF file): <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.cnw.mattheydesign.de/Palmetto_Street_warehouse.pdf">http://www.cnw.mattheydesign.de/Palmett ... ehouse.pdf</a><!-- m -->
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After cutting it out and fitting the windows (Tichy Train Group #8051 – two of them glued together for one warehouse window), the front wall looks like this:
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cnw1961 Wrote:MountainMan, than you for the encouraging words.
Jonte, no need to be saddened. My model of the Patch will not show it as it is nowadays. My layout is a "what if" model of the Patch. That means that my structures will look much more like they looked in the days when those industries and warehouses were still served by rail and not like today after being turned into apartment and office buildings. I prefer the look of modern rolling stock that is why I model the modern era, but I like old industrial structures. I think it both goes together well. I want to run my ATSF zebra stripe Baldwin switchers on this layout from time to time and it will be easy to backdate the layout so that they won’t look out of place.
I see; best of both world's hey? 
Just ordered some of the ATSF zebra stripe decals from Micro scale for my attempt at converting an Atlas S2 switcher to LAJ switcher of 70s/80s - was advised that LAJ might be slightly diferent to ATSF, but from several photos on the web, the number of stripes in each panel are correct - perhaps there might be differences in width of stripes(?), if so not too noticeable - and it'll do me
Hopefully a dash of weathering will distract the eye!!
Best wishes,
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jonte Wrote:I see; best of both world's hey?
Exactly! With my modeler’s license I am allowed to do that .
jonte Wrote:Just ordered some of the ATSF zebra stripe decals from Micro scale for my attempt at converting an Atlas S2 switcher to LAJ switcher of 70s/80s - was advised that LAJ might be slightly diferent to ATSF, but from several photos on the web, the number of stripes in each panel are correct - perhaps there might be differences in width of stripes(?), if so not too noticeable - and it'll do me
Hopefully a dash of weathering will distract the eye!!
Don’t worry, we are no stripe counters here . I am sure it will be a beautiful engine. With the zebra stripes you can’t go wrong anyway – one of the best paint schemes ever.
I made a little more progress on my warehouse. Tomorrow when the glue will have dried completely I will sand the corners and the I can go on adding details.
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Kurt,That's a super nice looking building..
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cnw1961 Wrote:As usual I first did a scale drawing, If anyone would like to have this drawing (as a PDF file) to build this warehousw, please tell me.
There's this expression of something a bear does in woods, at least that springs to mind here :-) Great looking building indeed!
Yes, I'd like a copy please :-) Thank you!
BTW, as far as detailing this building is concerned, are there any visible re-enforcements on this (I'm guessing this is a brick building, plastered over?) building? Earth quake 'proofing' etc? Just thinking what it would look like in the '30s and if it had any visible steel plates bolted on outer walls etc.
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Larry, thank you .
Koos, I ccould not find any re-inforcements on this building, even in this old pic from the '30s (what a coincidence, eh? ): <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gvgarcia/5309666267/sizes/l/in/photostream/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/gvgarcia/5 ... otostream/</a><!-- m -->. I assume it is a concrete building.
I uploaded the drawing, so you can directly download it here: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.cnw.mattheydesign.de/Palmetto_Street_warehouse.pdf">http://www.cnw.mattheydesign.de/Palmett ... ehouse.pdf</a><!-- m -->
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