Freight cars at team track

[Engfanuk]

Hi, I hope this is the right channel to ask this but I was wondering if anyone knew of resources or wished to comment directly on what cars might be dealt with at a team track and using what equipment. I'm particular interested in gondolas and center beam cars.

I can see how these might be dealt with but is there I. Fact a prototype for this at a gram track? Any references would be great.

As a UK based modeller new yo US Railroad practice I'm finding it hard to pick up my understanding as I design my switching layout so I hope you don't mind me asking what might be daft questions.

I'm also interested in operations at industries. I found <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://oscalewcor.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/INSPIRATION">http://oscalewcor.blogspot.co.uk/search ... NSPIRATION</a><!-- m --> a very useful description of car activities at smaller industries. Anyone found anything similar?

Many thanks,

Steve.

[railroader9731]

Hi steve good spot to post and yes just about any rail car can be seen on a team track so don't feel that your cars would seem outta place and heres a link from here to browse <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://bigbluetrains.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3057">viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3057</a><!-- l -->

[lajry]

Steve
Here's two team tracks for the price of one. And in these two Teams just about anything is handled. On the left is the Santa Fe (now bsnf) Vernon Team & on right is Los Angeles Junction Ry Fruitland team. At both Teams products are unloaded then put in trucks. The Vernon Team does mostly "shapes" as Santa Fe calls metal products. They come in boxcars to the transfer dock. The crane unloads coil cars. flat cars & gondolas. The ramp is used to unload flat cars of things that be driven off. The Fruitland side unloads covered hoppers w/ grain & plastic pellets. Airslides w/ flour also get unloaded there. Recently they have been shipping out dirty dirt cans out in well cars. There's also aluminum ingot stacks scattered around both teams.The address for seeing the Teams in Bing, Google & historicaerials.com is 2695 Fruitland Ave 90058.

   

[Canadian Atlantic Railway]

Hi steve good spot to post and yes just about any rail car can be seen on a team track so don't feel that your cars would seem outta place and heres a link from here to browse <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://bigbluetrains.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3057">viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3057</a><!-- l -->

That is a very informative link. Now I'm trying to figure out where I can put one of those covered trans-loads sheds on the layout.

[Ralph]

I did a little searching and found this link with a description of how a team track is used on a small railroad in California... <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.smvrr.com/bip.html">http://www.smvrr.com/bip.html</a><!-- m -->

Thanks for posting the link to the very informative blog about industries and switching!

[Brakie]

Just about any type of freight an be unloaded on a modern "Trans Load" track.

A gon loaded with gravel an be unloaded by using a backhoe.

Boxcars can be loaded/unloaded at the transfer dock.

Farm implements or heavy equipment can be unloaded circus style.

Coil steel can be unloaded by crane or large forklift.

The list is endless.

[Engfanuk]

Thanks very much everyone. I'll read the links and do some more research. I know there are end loaded gondolas too which I'll need to research.

Larry I will have to google backhoe.... Might leave it until I am. It on my emoloyer's wifi though just in case;-)

I guess I wad separating the team track from modern transload. Am I right thinking the former miggt be used for businesses within an industrial park that don't get direct rail service but will just shift it across a road to their building by forklift rather than a truck container to go a few miles? In thinknh modelling non-rail served but still using rail and modelled on the layout. I don't necessarily want to model lots of container trucks with the final destination off layout. But still exploring options so far. I'm not against transload:-)

[railroader9731]

My thinking on that would be a good chance that a structure across the road needing a rail car and transport material to the structure is very possible yet would not take place on a busy street. Such as your center beam cars that would deliver lumber, on a road the tracks may be on the one side and needs to be off loaded via fork lift to the lumber retailer on the other side. As for your gondolas im not sure what you want to ship / haul with them. Hope this helps.

[Engfanuk]

I did a little searching and found this link with a description of how a team track is used on a small railroad in California... <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.smvrr.com/bip.html">http://www.smvrr.com/bip.html</a><!-- m -->

That's a great link there, it's good to read detail and see a few photos beyond the usual stock photos companies use of smiling employees;-) that makes me want yo go research that industrial park as by the sound if it it would make a great prototype to model on its own with such varied traffic.

I really appreciate you posting that.

[Engfanuk]

My thinking on that would be a good chance that a structure across the road needing a rail car and transport material to the structure is very possible yet would not take place on a busy street. Such as your center beam cars that would deliver lumber, on a road the tracks may be on the one side and needs to be off loaded via fork lift to the lumber retailer on the other side. As for your gondolas im not sure what you want to ship / haul with them. Hope this helps.

Agreed. thanks for your thoughts.

[Engfanuk]

Steve
Here's two team tracks for the price of one. And in these two Teams just about anything is handled. On the left is the Santa Fe (now bsnf) Vernon Team & on right is Los Angeles Junction Ry Fruitland team. At both Teams products are unloaded then put in trucks. The Vernon Team does mostly "shapes" as Santa Fe calls metal products. They come in boxcars to the transfer dock. The crane unloads coil cars. flat cars & gondolas. The ramp is used to unload flat cars of things that be driven off. The Fruitland side unloads covered hoppers w/ grain & plastic pellets. Airslides w/ flour also get unloaded there. Recently they have been shipping out dirty dirt cans out in well cars. There's also aluminum ingot stacks scattered around both teams.The address for seeing the Teams in Bing, Google & historicaerials.com is 2695 Fruitland Ave 90058.

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Thanks! They are probably too big for my current plans but I think the BNSF team is something I might model on its own!

[Brakie]

First a transload track is a fancy marketing word for a supped up team track.

Any off line industry can used a transload track. Regular straight trucks (flat bed and boxed ) and trailers is used not containers. I have notice most customers use their trucks or a company that specializes in unloading freight cars. This also applies to the team tracks of yesteryear.

[shortliner]

Steve - a "backhoe" is basically what we, in UK, would refer to as a "JCB" - a tractor with a fixed scoop bucket on the front, and a swivelling hydraulic digger bucket on the rear. This is a more extreme example of an unloading
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[Engfanuk]

Steve - a "backhoe" is basically what we, in UK, would refer to as a "JCB" - a tractor with a fixed scoop bucket on the front, and a swivelling hydraulic digger bucket on the rear. This is a more extreme example of an unloading
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Youtube+backhoeclimbs+onto+truck&FORM=VIRE3#view=detail&mid=57DE57D74602639E23A657DE57D74602639E23A6">http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=You ... 02639E23A6</a><!-- m -->

Ah thanks for the translation!

[Engfanuk]

First a transload track is a fancy marketing word for a supped up team track.

Any off line industry can used a transload track. Regular straight trucks (flat bed and boxed ) and trailers is used not containers. I have notice most customers use their trucks or a company that specializes in unloading freight cars. This also applies to the team tracks of yesteryear.

Thanks. I think I might model something along the lines of <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.smvrr.com/bip.html">http://www.smvrr.com/bip.html</a><!-- m --> that Ralph posted. Two tracks, one with a ramp at the end and some mobile specialised unloading equipment for hoppers or tank cars. The main building or warehouse would be considere off the layout as the team tracks would be next to the edge of the baseboard.

I've also read through the other links in this channel. I should have started there and a search rather than throwing the question out straight away. I guess I added to the conversation with the blog link:-)

I found done unloading videos on YouTube. Not team track but boxcar offloading for a lumber industry. Still interesting to see the activity close at hand with the camera actually on the ramp rather than videos shot from a distance and only seeing the cars delivered. I'll post that in another thread.

Thanks to everyone.

Steve