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The double headers went well. I wasn't there. I do not know any details about the 1225's patch up job. Considering the nature of what happened to them at Train Festival, it was surprising that they were under steam. Regardless, they have a very tired locomotive that needs a Class I overhaul after this year.
I went to the link, but all i could see was a bunch of empty white squares where the pictures are supposed to be. Do I need to be a member and log in to see your pics?
I can see them.....Awesome pics ..!!!

Thanks for posting.... Thumbsup
Russ Bellinis Wrote:I went to the link, but all i could see was a bunch of empty white squares where the pictures are supposed to be. Do I need to be a member and log in to see your pics?

It is a person's private website. I'd guess that you have some sort of software/browser issue if you can't see them. I'm using Firefox.
I'm using Firefox as well. I may need to try viewing it on my wife's computer. I have had an ongoing issue that has never been resolved. I don't get the blue background for Big Blue. EZ Days and I have tried everything we can think of including me sending him screen shots of what my browser brings up and nothing I have tried lets me view the site like it should be. The result is that the "quote", "report", and "edit" icons in the upper right are invisible on my computer. When I want to use one of those buttons I just move my cursor around with the mouse until the words suddenly show up when the cursor is in the right place. I also have Internet Explorer on my computer, but when I use it I not only don't have the above mentioned icons, but the "reply" in the lower left corner disappears as well!
Interesting, whatever problems you have with this site (and the link), sound similar to gmail on my laptop...not a good thing since my primary email is gmail! Wallbang
Russ...I think you have an issue with your video card settings. Go to the manufacturer's website and download the latest drivers for your card, also check your screen size settings, and that you've set the card for the particular monitor you're using.. This might help....
Outstanding---thanks for posting these excellent pictures
Outstanding! I have to guess the PM and NKP must have been affiliated? Maybe also with the C&O? Because all those NKP, PM, and C&O Berks sure look alike.

dave
Puddlejumper Wrote:Outstanding! I have to guess the PM and NKP must have been affiliated? Maybe also with the C&O? Because all those NKP, PM, and C&O Berks sure look alike.

dave

The Nickel Plate was built by the Seney Syndicate circa 1881 to give the LSMS (NYC's western mainline) completion. When new, the NKP arguably was superior in physical plant and equipment to the LSMS. To prevent Jay Gould from acquiring it, Vanderbilt bought it and basically operated it so that it couldn't compete with the LSMS. In the teens, it became apparent that owning the NKP was going to cause a variety trust-buster type troubles for the NYC...so it was spun off to a couple real estate developers in Cleveland (the Van Swearigan brothers). The Vans, also obtained the Clover Leaf (Toledo-St. Louis line originally built as part of a 3' gauge transcontinental line) and the Lake Erie & Western (Sandusky, O-Peoria).

The Vans began to dream big and sought to consolidate the eastern roads into four groupings: NYC, PRR, B&O, and NKP. This plan failed in the courts, largely due to the Vans approach to finance, and so they were left with a number of properties. In 1929, the Vans pooled the design talent of their properties: the NKP, C&O, PM, and Erie. This pooling was the Advisory Mechanical Committee. The AMC created a watershed locomotive in 1930, the C&O T-1. This 2-10-4 practically solved every existing problem in locomotive design and effectively rendered every other locomotive on the roster of the C&O obsolete (and practically every other freight locomotive in existence). They could pull as much as the 2-8-8-2s but at high speeds. (they were later copied by the PRR during WW2 and these outlasted all of the other modern PRR power).

In 1934, the AMC designed a 2-8-4 which harnessed the magical numbers of the T-1...the Nickel Plate Berks. The PM berks were built in 1941 and were essentially copies of the NKP design except that they had slightly larger cylinders and fabricated frames (most NKP berks had cast frames). The C&O had a few different slight variations on the NKP engines, including welded 2-8-4s. As I presume you know, the RF&P had copies of them. The DT&I had baby versions of the NKP berks (smaller drivers and other reduced details). The Virginian had duplicates. The Wheeling & Lake Erie had copies. And the L&N had berks derived from the NKP engine.

Another design based on the T-1s were the C&O's H-8s. The H-8's had a 33" stroke with 67" drivers (as opposed to the 34" stroke and 69" drivers of the T-1 and berks). These 7,500HP 2-6-6-6s were truly incredible machines. The Virginian had light copies of them.

As a footnote, the Southern Railroad fell in love with Lima's Super Power around 50 years after many other roads realized its potential. After leasing the T&P #610 (a 2-10-4 with 63" drivers) for the 1977 excursion season, they acquired the C&O 2716 as the 4501 didn't quite cut it for them anymore. They were the last Class 1 to acquire super power steam locomotives! The 2716 was in pieces for an overhaul after the NS merger, and the 611 replaced her (why advertise for the competition?). 2716 got the last laugh as she pulled two weekends of trips the year after the 611 was parked. Unfortunately for her and the 765 crew, an unaccommodating boiler inspector chose to enforce new boiler rules on her and she was parked. She returned home to Kentucky around 2002.

4 AMC berks have run: NKP 759, NKP 765, PM 1225, & C&O 2716. Additionally, NKP 763 will be running in the near future. There are 6 total survivors from the NKP, 12 from the C&O, and 2 from the PM. I am unaware of any other surviving berks. Probably more than you were interested in reading, but I enjoyed typing it Cheers
nkp_174 Wrote:....... Probably more than you were interested in reading, but I enjoyed typing it Cheers

I, for one, enjoyed reading it, Michael, Thumbsup Thumbsup and ya gotta love their names: Oris and Mantis Van Sweringen! Eek I always thought that Charles Dickens may have had a hand in naming them. Wink Misngth

Wayne
Thanks for the history lesson NKP!! I find the early history of the railroads very interesting, especially with the Tycoons and their sneaky ways. I still find it amazing that the early railroads were owned by individuals in some cases, basically run by individuals in other cases, and financed by same.

I'll have to look into the RF&P Berks, didn't realize they were the same.

As for it being more than I wanted to read, it wasn't. I appreciate a good history lesson from a person knowledgeable on the subject!

Dave
Puddlejumper Wrote:As for it being more than I wanted to read, it wasn't. I appreciate a good history lesson from a person knowledgeable on the subject!

You should probably pick up Invisible Giants which is a much more detailed account of the Van's railroad dealings.
I'm glad you guys enjoyed it!. Thanks for adding the first names, Wayne, as I could only recall O.P.!

FYI, Rivarossi offered their berk in RF&P colors during the 1990s. Mechanically, they were closer to the NKP engines than either the PM or C&O. Perhaps one of the B-man engines could be in your future?
nkp_174 Wrote:The double headers went well. I wasn't there. I do not know any details about the 1225's patch up job. Considering the nature of what happened to them at Train Festival, it was surprising that they were under steam. Regardless, they have a very tired locomotive that needs a Class I overhaul after this year.

T.J gives an explanation about why they did not jump into all the discussion about 1225's repair job.
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I was there for the photo charter and they did an outstanding job. Some of the volunteers on the 1225 had been up for 24 hours straight making sure she would be good to go for Sunday's run. It was awesome to see those two doubleheaded!
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