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[attachment=2861] This is where I last left this project. The only photo I've ever seen of this loco, is of Warrenton RR #4, in the February 1975 issue of Railroad Modeler. One of the reasons I've put it off for so long is that I was hoping to find other photos.[attachment=2860]
This is where I am right now. Some changes have been made. The original MDC frame developed a crack in a "bad place", and I had to build a new one using mostly ABS plastic. this next shot is a LH 3/4 front.[attachment=2859]
This shows the underside of the loco,[attachment=2858], and this is the tender, an old Rivarossi that will get some serious "upgrades".[attachment=2857]This will be a slow build, as I am also working on the three new modules. Once I have all the required parts made and assembled for the Warrenton loco, I intend to add the "standard shipyard house parts". It will get a generator, not on the prototype, an angled bell mount, top/center on the smokebox front, and the new headlight mounted on the pilot deck.
I'm still working on how to gear and power it.
That is a chunky 2-4-2. Will she be for a logging road with such small drivers?
Very nice!
nkp_174 Wrote:That is a chunky 2-4-2. Will she be for a logging road with such small drivers?

The drivers are actually 51" . The Warrenton used the loco for freight and passenger service on a three mile "short line" between Warrenton, NC., and the junction with the SCL line,between Roanoke, and Raleigh, at Warren Plains. I plan on using it for the same purposes, somewhere along the SM&CH right of way. (on the dual gauge tracks of the new module set)

Chunky? Well yes, that's what has kept my interest in building this loco alive for so long. It is a unique wheel arrangement ( not that often seen ), and an interesting looking small engine.
When I figure out how to power it, I will include gearing to keep it slow and smooth. I doubt that the Warrenton ever ran it faster than 25 MPH, considering the "nature of their track", which was a mixed bag of leftovers. ( "battered, mostly 70-pound rail" )
"This is a direct appeal from the decree of the federal court for Northern Ohio, setting aside an order, under the Boiler Inspection Act, entered by the Interstate Commerce Commission on January 5, 1933.
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At the date of the order there were in use in the United States about 31,597 steam locomotives equipped with hand reverse gear and 28,925 equipped with power reverse gear.1 Prior to the order, Rule 157, which prescribes the reverse gear on locomotives, left it optional with railroads to equip them with either hand operated or power operated reverse gear.2 The order amended that rule so as to require the railroads to equip 'with a suitable type of power operated reverse gear' all steam locomotives built on or after April 1, 1933; and similarly to equip, 'the first time they are given repairs defined by the United States Railroad Administration as Class 3, or heavier,' all steam locomotives then in road service 'which weigh on driving wheels 150,000 pounds or more,' and all then used in switching service 'which weigh on driving wheels 130,000 pounds or more.' The order required that, in any event, all such steam locomotives be so equipped before January 1, 1937; and that 'air operated reverse gear (including thus power gear already installed) shall have a suitable steam connection' so arranged 'that in case of air failure steam may be quickly used to operate the reverse gear."


A 1924 Baldwin 2-6-2, at the Illinois Railroad Museum, has a power reverse, most likely a Ragonnet "early 1900's.
I will add the casting I have to my model. If the Warrenton hadn't done the required upgrade,by the Oct. 30, 1940 photo date, I'm sure the Beaufort and Morehead did, soon after acquiring the loco . With no RH side photos found so far, I'm relying on the above ruling to have made the addition "most probable".Additionally, the B&O C16a 0-4-0's had a similar power reverse (most of which was hidden inside the cab).
The 1924 Baldwin 2-6-2 had much in common with the earlier 2-4-2........I made several drawings, and took many measurements. Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
good looking job so far will be interested in how you power this one as i have a old brass Ken Kidder or MKT 2-4-2( belive they called it a Columbia) that the motor is dead in need a repower but its so small have not found a sutable one to go in it.
jim
I have a 10mm X 25mm can motor that was part of a NWSL PDT, that I intend to "kluge" with a NWSL gearbox. What's at doubt, is the "kluge" part (insert shrug smilie here)
Just so everyone knows where I'm at with this, there are two different photos of the loco, both taken of the same side at about the same angle. This is the one ( scanned from the Feb 1975 Railroad Modeler ) I've been using for the project.
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How much room do you have within the boiler of that loco, Pete? And is the backhead area open or closed? You should be able to find a suitable motor, although altering the PDT to power a single axle might work, too, perhaps by mounting it vertically or on an angle within the boiler. If you could accomplish the mounting, all that would be required would be mounting the rear drivers onto the PDT axle.
I had an Athearn RDC which I re-powered with a PDT - it ran nicely and was able to pull a dummy trailer, too. Surprisingly, it suffered from split axle gears, which I repaired with NWSL replacements before selling the pair.

Another option for re-powering is to mount a new motor in the tender, then run an articulated drive shaft to a NWSL gearbox. I re-motored two brass CPR Ten Wheelers, for a friend, in this manner, as the boilers were too small to accept any of the can motors available at that time. Initially, motor torque caused the tenders to lean upon start-up, but I solved that problem by installing bearing blocks on the tenders' underframes.
To transmit the power to the wheels, I simply left the open frame of the original motor in place, replacing the armature with a longer shaft that extended through the original motor's frame. The worm was then re-installed on the new shaft, and a U-joint added to the other end, where it extended through the back end of the motor frame. The pair ran smoothly and pulled well.

I really like that tender in your first photo - is that from MDC? I have a body for one of those and have been looking in vain for another. I wish that they'd re-issue some of their older stuff - one of their best items was the brass handrail stanchions, which were even nicer than those from Precision Scale.

Wayne
Doctorwayne,
Yes, the tender in the first photo is an MDC tender, that might even be the one that originally came with the loco ( I bought it second hand, RTR ). I went with the old Rivarossi because I had it, and it more closely resembles the prototype's tender.
Because I am detailing the cab interior, the backhead is present, and has a lot of its detail already installed. I haven't ruled out a tender mounted motor with universal drive, but I'm still leaning towards keeping the motor/gearbox, all within the boiler "cavity". Final locomotive weight will be the real determinant of the nature of the drive. I have used the tender/motor, on several of my HOn3 locos, including the outside frame 2-4-4-2. One of the first drive conversions I ever did was to move the motor of my Gem Little River 2-4-4-2, into the tender, to super detail the cab interior.
that photo looks like a almost dead ringer for the brass one i have :cry: looked at after you posted the photo and it is starting to fall apart 35 o well another project for retirment.
jim
Now THIS IS KITBASHING!! I really look forward to following this build with intense interest! Finally someone else is interested in steam smaller than a 2-8-0. Thumbsup
Mileswestern Wrote:Now THIS IS KITBASHING!! I really look forward to following this build with intense interest! Finally someone else is interested in steam smaller than a 2-8-0. Thumbsup

I've put this project off for 34 years, and now I want to get it done!
I'll also post photos when I finish re-powering a B&O C16a from Gem, and then when I get around to converting a Spectrum 0-6-0T to a 2-6-2T. Then, there's the 3' gauge 2-6-0 for the "dinky".

Do you think the 2-4-2 would look good doubleheaded with a 2-6-6-6?? Eek Eek
Sumpter250 Wrote:Then, there's the 3' gauge 2-6-0 for the "dinky".

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i think this is more of a dinky for Pete Wink add a lead truck and walla a 2-4-2 Goldth
nkp_174 Wrote:
Sumpter250 Wrote:Then, there's the 3' gauge 2-6-0 for the "dinky".

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Dat bees da one!
Not too many people remember that the Chicago & Northwestern also ran narrow gauge!

"I think this is more of a dinky for Pete Wink add a lead truck and walla a 2-4-2 "
10'-7" wheelbase.....5' gauge !!!! Whoa.....short, and wide! Confusedhock: Big Grin
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