info needed on a trestle bridge on the P L &W rr called the Elkton bridge near Lisbon Ohio tried the internet but could find no photos have one that isent very good . looking for more info and photos look's like a different design than a standard trestle.
jim

From what I could learn, the PL&W eventually was absorbed by the Youngstown & Southern, with the PL&W line west from Signal to Lisbon subsequently abandoned. I believe that section included the Elkton Bridge.

Here's a LINK to some PL&W pictures, including one of a bridge (probably the same one which you already have).

You might try contacting The Lisbon Historical Society, too.

Wayne

Wayne here is the photo i have . the trestle design is different than most as it has more open support's and appear's to have connecting trusses , also might have a slight curve but that could be photographic destortion . the photo is dated 1941 and says the bridge is 997 ft long. will contact the Lisbon people thanks.
jim

That is a weird design. It almost looks like there are queenposts and truss rods.

Obviously not the bridge pictured in my link.

They almost appear to be Fink trusses, although it's difficult to tell whether there are two or three vertical members between towers. I think that what appear to be bottom members, as would be used in a queen post design, are actually crossmembers linking the paired trusses from side-to-side.

I agree, though, Jim: another picture is needed.

Wayne

bingo Doc you wre right it was a Fink scraped in the early 50's from what i have found here is a better photo of a fink on the shawmut at stoney creek N.Y. that was replaced in 1915 after a 20 life , the lisbon one had a much longer life.
jim

It's interesting to note that even those spans atop the towers are Fink trusses, too. Talk about a spindly-looking bridge, although it must've been sturdy enough to have lasted so long.

Wayne

Sorry, I just saw this thread. The trestle was located in Elkton, Ohio, and was scrapped in 1943. The piers are still visible. I talked to a fellow that told me his first job with the PL&W was to tighten the truss bars on the trestle. he tied his self off to the rail and was lucky enough that the foreman saw what he had done. He said that a train did come across while he was working and it almost shook him off
I actually lived in Elkton for 2 years, just a little farming area, and I am only 10 miles from there today.
Charlie

thanks a lot Charlie they are better photos than what i have , it lends it self to modeling better than the shawmut one. only glitch it was gone in 43 I model the late 50's. o what the hell its my railroad.

jim

Well, you can always say Charlie meant to say 53. It's funny you brought this up because Kevin "railcop" and I plan a little trip to scour the old right of way of the PL&W and the Y&O railroad. We were trying to do it before the leaves came out, but someone decided to build a building instead. I guess we will do it in the fall.
There is a place just west of Elkton where an old road goes up to the ROW. Never knew why until one of the old timers told me they lost a box car over the hill and cut a road to get it back to the rails. I hope I can still find that. More and more disappears every year.
Our library has the old newspaper storys about the construction of the railroad and I copied them all in 1992, but I can't find the files. If I do I'll post them.
By the way, PL&W really meant Pick up your Luggage and Walk.
Charlie

I see the DPL has the picture listed as Clark County, it is actually in Columbiana county, about 3 miles east of Lisbon, Ohio
Charlie

Wayne, the bridge in the picture link you posted was a trestle used to load PLW railcars with coal from the mine that was just east of Negley, Ohio. The abutments are still visible along Cannelton Road (just south of me 5 miles)
Charlie

I've got the same one...

OK Jim, I found the copies of the newspaper articles about the construction of this railroad. There are some other tidbits included. I copied them word for word, and spelling for spelling. Some reference is made to the PM&C (Pittsburgh Marion, and Chicago), which was the predecessor name for the line. It's funny how much excitement this little road caused:

LISBON'S FIRST RAILROAD

IMMEDIATLY AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, THE AGITATION FOR A ROAD TO TAP THE RICH MINERAL SECTION IN THE INTERIOR OF THE COUNTY RESULTED IN THE BUILDING OF THE NILES & NEW LISBON, WHICH WAS OPENED TO THE COUNTY SEAT IN 1866. IT WAS FIRST LEASED TO THE ATLANTIC AND GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY, AND WAS THEN REORGANIZED AS THE NEW YORK, PENNSYLVANIA & OHIO AND AS SUCH WAS LEASED TO THE ERIE AND BECAME A PART OF THE ERIE SYSTEM. IN 1886-87 A SECOND ROAD TAPPED THE COUNTY SEAT, RUNNING FROM NEW GALILEE, PENNSYLVANIA, A POINT ON THE FORT WAYNE ROAD. IT WAS ORIGANLLY PROJECTED BY NEW YORK CAPITALISTS AS THE NEW YORK, PITTSBURG & CHICAGO, THE PROJECT BEING FOR A LINE FROM THE EASTERN STATES WEST TO MARION, OHIO, TO CONNECT WITH THE CHICAGO & ATLANTIC RAILROAD AT THAT POINT. THE SURVEYS WERE EXTENDED ON WEST OF LISBON, AND THE FIRST TRAIN FROM NEW GALILEE RAN INTO LISBON ON JUNE 1, 1887. THE LINE WAS NEVER BUILT FARTHER, HOWEVER, BUT UNDER THE NAME OF THE PITTSBURG MARION & CHICAGO, IT DID MUCH DURING THE LATER PART OF THE CENTURY TO DEVELOP THE COAL LANDS IN THE INTERIOR OF THE COUNTY AND TO FOSTER THE INDUSTRIES AT NEW LISBON. IT WAS REORGANIZED IN 1896 UNDER THE NAME OF THE PITTSBURG, LISBON & WESTERN, AND SHORTLY AFTER PASSED UNDER CONTROL OF THE WABASH SYSTEM. THE GENERAL HEADQUARTERS OF THE ROAD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT NEW LISBON. IN 1905 THE GENERAL OFFICERS WERE: PRES- IDENT, HON. N. B. BILLINGSLEY; SECRETARY, J. W. CLARK; TREASURER, J. G. STIDGER. (REF HISTORY OF COLUMBIANA COUNTY AND REPRESENTATIVE CITIZENS. PG 90)

THE P. M. & C. RAILROAD CO WAS ORGANIZED MARCH 3, 1852 UNDER THE DARLINGTON CANAL COAL CO. JOHN WHITE, MATTHEW ELDER, JOHN MCCOWEN, WILLIAM R. STERLING, EDWIN MORSE, THOMPSON AND TAGGERT, D. H. WALLACE. W. A. N. MCGOWEN, THOMAS F. ELDER, JAMES M. HARTFORD, D. P. HARTFORD, SAMUEL EAKIN, WILLIAM EAKIN, AND JAMES W. BURNS WERE CAPITAL STOCK SUBSCRIBERS. THE FIRST BOARD OF DIRECTORS WERE: JOHN WHITE, PRES., JOHN MCCOWEN, MARTIN ATCHINSON, AND EDWIN MORSE. THREE YEARS LATER M. B. FETTERMAN, OF PITTSBURG BECAME PRESIDENT. THE PROPERTY WAS MORT- AGED AND SUBSEQUINTLY FORCLOSED. OPERATIONS WERE TAKEN OVER BY THE ECONOMY SOCIETY, UNTILL 1882. IN 1887 JOHN HOLLY WAS ELECTED PRES. C. DeCLARK GEN MANAGER, G. W. DICKSON SUPERINTENDANT, AND H. T. HANNA FREIGHT AND PASSENGER AGENT. (HIS. OF BVR CNT 1888)

JAN 20, 1887 NEW LISBON, OH THE ANNUAL MEETING OF THE STOCKHOLDERS OF THE PITTSBURG, MARION & CHICAGO RAILWAY COMPANY WAS HELD IN THE OFFICE OF N.B. BILLINGSLEY, OF THIS PLACE MONDAY, AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING BOARD OF DIRECTORS WAS ELECTED FOR THE ENSUING YEAR: JOHN I. HOLLY, W. S. GURNEE, B. Y. FROST, C.A. ACKERMAN, CHAS. SEIDLER, W.R. BARR, NEW YORK; JOHN W. LOCKWOOD, PHILIDELPIA; J.E.UMBSMETTER, PITTSBURG; HON. I. F. MANSFIELD, CANNELTON; J. T. CHAMBERLIN, EAST PALESTINE; JAMES CHARTERS, WM. M. HOSTTETTER AND N.B. BILLINGSLEY, NEW LISBON (JOURNAL)

MARCH 17, 1887 NEGLEY OH. THE RAILROAD COMPANY HAVE BEEN LOADING THEIR GRAVEL TRAIN NEAR THIS PLACE FOR SOME DAYS PAST. THE NEW COMPANY APPEAR TO WORK AS THOUGH THEY INTENDED BUSINESS.

APRIL 28.1887 SIGNAL, OH. A LARGE NUMBER OF THE HARDY "SONS OF ITALY" NOW WORK ON THE RAILROAD. THE RAILROAD IS RAPIDLY NEARING NEW LISBON. WE HOPE TO ATTEND THE FAIR BY RAIL.

MAY 12, 1887 SIGNAL, OH. WE HEAR SOME TALK OF A FREE RIDE TO LISBON WHEN THE NEW ROAD IS COMPLETED




JUNE 2, 1887 SIGNAL OH. LABORERS ON RAILROAD NOW RECIEVE $1.50 A DAY.
A NUMBER OF ITALIANS HAVE LEFT
THE R. R. COMPANY EXPECT SOON TO FIT UP A STATION AT SIGNAL, AND WE THEN EXPECT TO MOVE RIGHT ALONG WITH THE OTHER ASPIRING YOUNG TOWNS.

JUNE 9, 1887 NEGLEY OH A TRAIN LOAD OF YOUNG FOLKS PASSED THROUGH NEGLEY ON DECORATION DAY. UPON INQUIRING, WE FOUND THAT THEY WERE BOUND FOR MILL ROCK, ON A PICNIC EXPEDITION. THEY REPORT A PLEASANT TIME

JUNE 9 1887 NEGLEY OH BY THE TIME THIS COMMUNICATION GETS TO THE READERS OF THE ECHO THE P. M. & C. R. Y. WILL BE MAKING REGULAR TRIPS FROM NEW LISBON TO NEW GALILEE TWICE A DAY. THEN THE SCRIPTURE MIGHT BE FULFILLED, NEGLEY WILL INCREASE AND PALESTINE DECREASE.

JUNE 13, 1887 SIGNAL AN EXPRESS OFFICE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN SIGNAL.

JUNE 23, 1887 VALLEY ECHO:

BOY KILLED BY A TRAIN

On last Saturday, about 1 o'clock as a freight train was switching onto the Prospect Railroad, Albert, the 12 year old son of Mr. and Mrs. Peter Shuster attempted to board the train, but missed his hold in some way, fell beneath the wheels, which passed over him injuring him fatally. He was taken to the station by the train men and Dr. Hass was called, who examined him, but his injuries were of such a nature that nothing could be done for him and he died about one hour after recieving the injury. his funeral took place on Sabbath, Rev's. Edmonds and Corl officiating. Such an event casts a gloom over the community, and fills the hearts of all, and the parents, especially, with sympathy for the bereaved father and mother for their loss.
This event should be a loud warning to all boys who are in the habit of jumping on and off trains while in motion. It might just have been any one of you as Albert Shuster.
JUNE 30 1887: TIME TABLE

PITTSBURGH FORT WAYNE & CHICAGO RAILWAY
CENTRAL TIME
SCHEDULE IN EFFECT JAN. 30TH, 1887
TRAINS ARRIVE AT E. PALESTINE STATION
AS FOLLOWS:
_____________________________________
GOING EAST:
NO. 14--ALLIANCE ACCOM------- +7:30am
NO. 10--EASTERN EXPRESS------*11:58am
NO. 4--ATLANTIC EXPRESS----- +5:42pm
NO. 82--LOCAL FREIGHT FOR
BEAVER FALLS-------------- +8:50am
_____________________________________
GOING WEST:
NO. 7--CRESTLINE EXPRESS----+11:01am
NO. 3--PACIFIC EXPRESS------ *3:07pm
NO. 13--ALLIANCE ACCOM------- +6:28pm
NO. 81--LOCAL FREIGHT FOR AL-
LIANCE------------------- +9:26am
* DAILY + DAILY EXCEPT SUNDAY.







JUNE 30 1887 NEGLEY, OH. MR. FRANK THORNE AND SEVERAL OTHERS OF EAST PALESTINE BOARDED THE TRAIN FOR NEW LISBON AT THIS PLACE ON LAST MONDAY.

A CAR LOAD OF HORSES SHIPPED BY MR. NEWHOUSE OF SIGNAL PASSED THROUGH TOWN ON TUESDAY OF LAST WEEK. THIS IS THE FIRST CAR-LOAD OF LIVE STOCK THAT HAS PASSED OVER OUR ROAD.

JULY 21, 1887 SIGNAL, OH PAY DAY ON THE RAIL ROAD LAST THURSDAY.
THE P. M. & C R.R. "DO THINGS UP FINE" THEY CHARGE FIVE DOLLARS FOR HAULING A CAR TP GALILEE; SIX DOLLARS MORE FOR STOCK TO PITTSBURGH THAN FROM WATERFORD, AND SIXTEEN DOLLARS FOR RUNNING A CAR OF GRAIN FROM GALILEE TO ROGERS. WE WONDER IF THE INTER STATE COMMERCE LAW REACHES OUR LITTLE ROAD.

A LARGE STONE CALBERT WILL BE BUILT NEAR OUR TOWN.

PAYDAY ON THE RAILROAD LAST THURSDAY.

CONTRACT FOR HAULING THE MAIL HAS EXPIRED, AND NO ARRANGEMENTS MADE FOR A TRANSFER TO RAILROAD LINE.

Part 2
AUG 11, 1887 NEGLEY, OH. A LARGE NUMBER FROM THIS PLACE AND POIINTS ALONG THE P. M. & C. RAILROAD TOOK THE EVENING EXCURSION TRAIN ON AUG 3RD TO VIEW NIAGRA FALLS ONE OF THE GREATEST WONDERS OF THE WORLD. ALL WERE MIGHTY PLEASED WITH THE TRIP AND SOME OF THEM IMMAGINE THAT THEY CAN HEAR THE ROARING OF THE CATARACT AS IT THUNDERS DOWN THE PRECIPICE RINGING IN THEIR EARS YET.

REV SAUNDERS, OF NEW CASTLE, PA., HAS BROUGHT HIS MEMBERS OF THE 2ND BAPTIST CHURCH HERE AND HELD CAMP MEETING AT THE G. A. R. PICNIC GROUNDS FOR THE LAST TWO SUNDAYS. THE P. M. & C. RAILROAD RUN REGULAR EXCURSIONS TRAINS BOTH DAYS AND PEOPLE FROM EVERY POINT IN THE SURROUNDING COUNTRY FLOCKED TO NEGLEY TO HEAR THE GOSPEL EXPOUNDED OCCORDING TO "DE CULLED BREDREN." ARTIST.

VALLEY ECHO, OCT 6, 1887:
A BOOM FOR NEGLEY.

AT A MEETING OF RAILROAD MEN HELD IN THE OPERA HOUSE IN EAST LIV- ERPOOL, OHIO, N. B. BILLINGSLEY, ATTORNEY FOR THE P. M. & C RAILROAD COMPANY., MADE A PROPOSITION TO THE CITIZENS OF EAST LIVERPOOL, TO THE EFFECT THAT IF THEY WOULD PROCURE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND DONATE FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, THAT THE P. M. & C. R.R. CO., WOULD IMMEDIATLY PRO- CEED TO CONSTRUCT A ROAD FROM NEGLEY TO EAST LIVERPOOL. THE PROPOSITION WAS AT ONCE ACCEPTED AND AN AGREEMENT ENTERED INTO, TO THAT EFFECT. THIS WILL, NO DOUBT, SETTLE THE LOCATION OF THE NORTHERN ROAD FROM EAST LIVERPOOL, AND IT WILL DETERMINE THAT LOCATION OF CAPT. S. L. FISHER'S NEW POTTERY FOR THE MANUFACTURE OF WHITE WARE, OF WHICH WE WILL GIVE A MORE DETAILED ACCOUNT LATER ARTIST.

OCT 6, 1887 SIGNAL, OH. WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FATAL ACCIDENT OCCURED HERE LAST WEEK. BRAKEMAN WELLS ATTEMPTED TO BOARD THE ENGINE, SLIPPED, FELL AND WAS THROWN UNDER THE PILOT. THE TRAIN WAS MOVING SLOW , SO HE HAD HIS RIGHT LIMB BADLEY SQUEEZED. A CLOSE CALL CERTAINLY.






OCT 6, 1887 SIGNAL, OH A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR CITIZENS ATTENDED THE COUNTY FAIR LAST WEEK, NEARLY ALL PASSED OVER THE P. M. & C. R.R.


OCT 13, 1887 NEGLEY, OH. HANDS AT THE NEGLEY COAL WORKS TORE DOWN THE TRESTLE-WORK AT THE LOWER ENCLINE ROAD. SIX HUNDRED FEET OF NEW TRESTLE-WORK WAS BUILT, AND THE ROAD RAISED ELEVEN FEET.
MR N. B. BILLINGSLEY, OF NEW LISBON, MAKES ALMOST DAILY TRIPS BY WAY OF THE P. M. & C. RAILROAD TO SUPERINTEND THE WORK ON HIS MOTHERS HOUSE.

NOV 3 1887 SIGNAL, OH. THE FILLING OF THE TEMPORARY TRESSLE WILL SOON BE COMPLETE.

NOV 3, 1887 A frightful accident occured on Wednesday to breakman (newspaper spelling) Carey Burky, about a mile east of New Galilee, resulting in his instant death. He was out on his run on the local in the morning as usual and while cutting loose the engine at the point started, he in some manner fell on the track, the entire train passing over him. He was horribly mangled and crushed out of all ressemblance to a human being. The deceased was about 28 years old, and unmarried. His parents resided at Berlin Center, to which place the remains were taken. Carey was an excellent young man and highly spoken of by those who knew him

NOV 17, 1887 NEGLEY, OH. MR. ALLEN MOLLEKOP WHO HAS BEEN ENGINE WIPER FOR THE P. M. & C. R. R. AT NEW LISBON HAS GOT A POSITION AS FIREMAN ON THE R. R. THIS WILL CAUSE HIM TO MOVE HIS FAMILY TO NEW LISBON. WE ARE SORRY TO LOSE MR. M. AS HE IS ONE OF OUR BEST CITIZENS.


Charlie