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I have read many articles on power routing Peco 'electrofrog' turnouts for DCC, but for my situation, I don't beleive it is necessary.

Situation;
1. All turnouts will be Peco code 55 electrofrog,
2. The spring will be left in using servos for a 'motor' (I don't care about slow motion or the 'snap' sound),
3. No reverse loops or 'wyes',
4. Layout will be DC for now, but wired for DCC (insulated joiners both rails and all four exit rails on each turnout insulated),
5. I plan on using NoOx to get a handle on track cleaning after reading many articles on it's benefits,
6. No steam, all diesels (if that matters).

I'm concerned about long term contact problems with oxidation between the points and the stock rails. Mostly for the curved point since the straight point has considerably more contact area. Also, the 'hinge' area between the points and the closure rails. I know it is recommended to cut the closure rails, but I don't want to do this as long as there won't be a contact problem with the points down the road (no pun intended).

See the attachments.

I have read up on this NoOx which has been out for decades and it appears to be the 'cats meow' for oxidation problems and keeping the rail clean better than any track cleaner car etc. Will NoOx help solve the problem?[attachment=10701][attachment=10702][attachment=10703]
Hi...

I have over 40 Peco turnouts on my layout, all Electrofrog and I'm extremely satisfied with their operation. As with all trackwork, they do need some maintenance, particularly in the points. I use a very light carbide polishing paper to clean the contact points. I just slip a folded piece of emery paper between the points and stock rails and rub it back and forth a few times, then give them a shot of compressed air (RS has this...). I have never experienced any problems at the hinge points.
Nickel silver tracks don't need No-Ox, matter of fact, you shouldn't use it, as the oxide that forms on the railhead is conductive, so you don't need to use ANY product that prevents, or removes oxidation. The only cleaning the track needs is removal of dust and "crud" deposited on it by plastic truck wheels. A cloth pad soaked in alcohol will take care of this.
Why insulate all four exit rails..?? Only the two coming off the frog need to be insulated, and jumpers installed to the corresponding tracks beyond.

Good luck..!!
Quote:Why insulate all four exit rails..?? Only the two coming off the frog need to be insulated, and jumpers installed to the corresponding tracks beyond.
Because most of what I have read states to insulate both rails for DCC though initially I will just have DC.
Wiring for DCC is no different than wiring for DC. The DCC "friendly" turnout is a myth. If DC works on a layout, so will DCC.
Matter of fact, when I began building my current layout I wired it for DC, as I had no DCC equipment yet. When I purchased my DCC system (Digitrax Zephyr), I just removed the powerpack and connected the power leads to the Zephyr, installed a couple of engines with decoders, and was off to the races.

I've been going at this for over 40 years, so hardly anything happens that I haven't seen before and can't find a fix for it... Goldth
I've never had a problem with the point contact, but others have. It may be a matter of how careful we are with the ballast glue.
The "DCC" problem is a result of the very fast circuit breakers in DCC power units. In DC there can be a momentary short but the train rolls on and it disappears. In DCC the entire layout shuts down and may have to be reset (from a controller, last time I used it).
The hitch with Electrofrog turnouts is that both points and the frog are a single elctrical unit, so the open point and the rail next to it are opposite polarities. Yours seem to have a wide gap but others are barely wide enough for the wheel flange. I've seen even supposedly NMRA standard locos short out on them. It's a major problem with British trains where the standards are ignored or even defied.
Quote:It's a major problem with British trains where the standards are ignored or even defied.
With that stated, one would assume Peco would be at the top in this regards. Wink