Hi guys! For various reasons It has been almost year since I did any modelling but last week I stopped at the local hobby shop and on impulse, bought the new Bachmann Alco 2-6-0 Mogul with Dcc Sound on Board... the price was just too good for a factory sound equipped loco to pass up.
I was really pleased when I got it out of the box and put it on the track...I'm not a stickler for accuracy but it looks right to my eye...it's probably light on detail and I doubt its really close for a CN 2-6-0 but it looks good and sounds great straight out of the box. I'm no expert on the sounds of a real 2-6-0 but I do like the sounds on this one . All I did was add crew, real coal and some weathering. Colour photos were hard to find, I actually only found one...and it showed a lot of brownish "dirt" on the loco,,,so...that is what I did. All in all I would say its a great buy for an excellent price.
Here are some before and after pics.

Thanks for sharing. I was looking for good pictures of the CN version yesterday evening!

I think this loco is a good start for detailling and kitbashing. However, you just proved myself it looks pretty good with some weathering. I'm looking forward in getting one myself to boost up my little steamer fleet. Maybe I'll just CNRize a coal bunker extension and had a few distinctive details.

The only thing I would complain is the 4 digits number that is a pure fantasy from Bachmann! But that can be easily changed. In fact, it looks like you removed of digit during the weathering process (am I wrong?).

Matt

Matt...you are correct....I removed one number...I'm lazy.....but I like the loco so much I bought another one and some numbering decals...I think a 2 digit number would be more prototypical which is what I'm planning for the next one.
I found lots of pictures of these CN locos for the details but all the colour pics were of preserved locos except for the one picture I used for weathering...all the others were b&w pics.

Cheers
Gene

sailormatlac Wrote:...The only thing I would complain is the 4 digits number that is a pure fantasy from Bachmann! But that can be easily changed. In fact, it looks like you removed of digit during the weathering process (am I wrong?).

It looks like all of the CNR Moguls which were originally Grand Trunk locomotives had four digit numbers, but they were re-numbered with three digit ones when the CNR was formed. Later, the handful of survivors got two digit numbers, freeing the three digit ones for diesels.
Incidentally, CNR's 6018 was a U-1-b Mountain, built in 1924 and scrapped in 1958.

Wayne

I wouldn't say "lazy", but efficient! The model is fairly similar to CNR engines, so I guess the lazy way to CNRize it would be to add a CNR triangular number board, the classic red "license" plate, adding a wood coal bunker extension and (maybe) a little bit more piping to dress up the boiler like the real thing. A bit of white paint on the running board would do the job. Maybe on the drivers, but I don't know an easy way to do that neatly! (Maybe Wayne!?). Sounds like a good 1 evening project.

What are your thought about the pulling power of this engine?

doctorwayne Wrote:It looks like all of the CNR Moguls which were originally Grand Trunk locomotives had four digit numbers, but they were re-numbered with three digit ones when the CNR was formed. Later, the handful of survivors got two digit numbers, freeing the three digit ones for diesels.
Incidentally, CNR's 6018 was a U-1-b Mountain, built in 1924 and scrapped in 1958.

Thanks Wayne!

What about the 3 digits ones? I know that QRL&PCo #22, was supposed to be repainted in CNR livery and get #429 back in 1953 (which didn't occured). I don't have access to anything here during lunch break, but I recalled there was a few other mogul number below this one.

Matt

sailormatlac Wrote:What about the 3 digits ones? I know that QRL&PCo #22, was supposed to be repainted in CNR livery and get #429 back in 1953 (which didn't occured). I don't have access to anything here during lunch break, but I recalled there was a few other mogul number below this one.

CNR #400 to 428 were various Moguls previously owned by Canadian Northern, Canadian Government Railways, Grand Trunk Pacific and McArthur Company (a railway contractor).
429/1 (the first use of #429 by the CNR) was originally Atlantic Quebec & Western #40, which was scrapped in November 1935. 429/2 should have been QRL&P #22's new number, but the loco was scrapped in September of 1953.

The three digit numbers then jump to 470 and continue uninterrupted 504, with most of these locos built in the late 1800s and a handful in the very early 20th century. All were scrapped between 1920 and 1930.

The three digit numbers resume at #530 and run continuously to 734, with all but #674 and 713 scrapped at various times from the early '20s to the early '40s. The 674, built in 1899, was scrapped in July 1959, while the 713 served on the CN Museum Train and is preserved at the National Museum of Science and Technology, in Ottawa.

The Moguls' numbers continue at 735 and run, uninterrupted, to 929, with scrappings occurring from the mid-'30s right up to the end of steam. Sixteen of them were re-numbered, in 1951, from 80 to 94 and 96. According to my 1969 source, seven of those are still in existence.

Matt, according to the info which I have, the 480 (ex-CGR 1014) was sold to Dussault in July of 1923, then re-sold, in the same year to the QRL&P as their #21.

Wayne

Thanks for your info Wayne... It will be useful for many of us. Very interesting to see how moguls (and small steamers) were a large part of early CNR, inherited from old railways. In this respect, it makes following a specific prototype a matter of personnal choice. On this respect, I'm always surprised how few people in Canada model the original Grand Trunk (not the american subsidiary).

I didn't know about #21 background story. It didn't last long on QRL&P and was replaced by the late 1920s with #22 (the only brandnew steamer they ever got for interchange work were electric steeples couldn't go (mainly transfering passing-through CNR trains up to Saint-Joachim). I once kitbashed a static display of it (and out of scale) from a Mantua 4-6-0... Issshhh... One of my early attempts I never dare to show in public!

BTW, a gentleman recently knocked to my door and gave me a copy of a panoramic picture showing olf QRL&P boxcars being loaded at the local brick plants. He's a nephew of a guy that helpsed me this spring digging in the local archives. He heard about me and decided to pay a visit. I should be able to resume the project 5 custom boxcars in a near future...

Matt

Since my home layout is just a 6ft x 1ft shunting layout I can't give an opinion on pulling power...I hope to bring it to the club layout next Sunday and give it a test on a big layout.

sailormatlac Wrote:I wouldn't say "lazy", but efficient! The model is fairly similar to CNR engines, so I guess the lazy way to CNRize it would be to add a CNR triangular number board, the classic red "license" plate, adding a wood coal bunker extension and (maybe) a little bit more piping to dress up the boiler like the real thing. A bit of white paint on the running board would do the job. Maybe on the drivers, but I don't know an easy way to do that neatly! (Maybe Wayne!?). Sounds like a good 1 evening project.

What are your thought about the pulling power of this engine?

doctorwayne Wrote:It looks like all of the CNR Moguls which were originally Grand Trunk locomotives had four digit numbers, but they were re-numbered with three digit ones when the CNR was formed. Later, the handful of survivors got two digit numbers, freeing the three digit ones for diesels.
Incidentally, CNR's 6018 was a U-1-b Mountain, built in 1924 and scrapped in 1958.

Thanks Wayne!

What about the 3 digits ones? I know that QRL&PCo #22, was supposed to be repainted in CNR livery and get #429 back in 1953 (which didn't occured). I don't have access to anything here during lunch break, but I recalled there was a few other mogul number below this one.

Matt

Matt..ran it on the club layout today...it pulled 12 cars around the full layout...about 50ft.,with just a bit of "realistic" wheel slip on start up...but I have to admit I'd be a bit worried about overheating the sound-decoder with that number of cars behind it...I ran for a good hour with 9 cars no problem ...no grades on the layout so I can't say how it would do going uphill. BTW...it has no traction tires. All in all between the sound quality and pulling power it a great buy. I've attached some pics from this mornings run

sailormatlac Wrote:What are your thought about the pulling power of this engine?


Matt

The string of backdrop buildings on the middle photo with the chimneys are phantastic :tad a: Did you get a closeup photo by any chance?

Faraway...a closeup photo of the buildings? or the train??

Genetk44 Wrote:Faraway...a closeup photo of the buildings? or the train??

The buildings please

faraway Wrote:

Genetk44 Wrote:Faraway...a closeup photo of the buildings? or the train??

The buildings please

I agree..I like what I'm seeing.

They are card not plastic...Ive emailed the guy who built them what brand they are..I'll let you know as soon as he tells me.
These are the only other pics of those buildings that I have






These are some others he did...I believe these are made from Metcalfe Card kits

Thanks Genetk44, it's always nice to get factual review from real people.

9 cars is a nice lenght for these little engines. I just ordered one. I'll probably use it as a replacement for my IHC 2-6-0 that needs a major electric and electronic.

BTW, nice layout... Funny to see some north american trains running in UK!

Matt