Shipping to others
#46
I like the idea and i touched base with this a while back. Anyhow as i read some of the posts and skimed some i agree shipping costs and chance of damage to the car and what not. So heres my go at it.... how about the following parties that are willing to do this freight exchange with other roads go about it like this (just a thought and adjust or comment as needed) talk with the shipping road and get a car of the same type and number. Then once it is set should flow something like this i talked to lester about 2 loads of coal needed for my powerplant he agrees to ship 2 90 ton hoppers to my railroad via inter change track. He says C&O 90 ton hopper 345321 and B&O hopper 455798 will be shipped out and will take 2 days to arive to my inter change track. Here is up to the owner wheather or not to remove said cars from service untill they return to his road. For me i would have to wait the x days or x hrs for the cars to arive. Once they arrive i take them into my acct and ship them to the customer and once MT i nottify lester that cars have been MTD and are enroute and will take 3 days to arrive. I now take them cars out of service. It can work with mulltiple people and roads as it will give us people who say well i must have them freight cars that are union pacific or conrail ( you get the idea) so then youd have other roads you may have the trouble over choosing. As for other intrest i Could state the B&O car 455798 has a deffect and needs his attention or i will hold car over far an extra day as it needs a major repair. Not only that it creates traffic but you get a demaned for the cars out of the blue for what ever the road ships. Its endless if you want to go proto with the ideas lol let me know what you think.
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#47
So...Is this a "virtuial" car exchange?
That would solve the scale/era issue.

Another twist could be interchanging on others layouts to get the car to its destination. A member modeling a location say Maine, can interchange with someone that model Massachusetts, which in turns can interchange with me in Connecticut and so on an so on till it reaches its final destination. Even members in the same state, modeling different areas. A good example would be my Central New England, interchanging with pomperaugrr"s Housatonic RR(Which really did happen before the New Haven take over...the CNE/Housatonic diamond still exists at Canaan Station) Forwarding a car "Virtually" would be cheaper than actually mailing a car to someone elses railroad.

A lsit of modeled locations with the routes could be added to the list of shippers/receivers on the same list.
Ex.
My Southwick and Winsted intercahges with CSX in West Springfield Mass. Serves local customers between West Springfield and Winsted
Interchanges with my Central New England in Winsted Ct. Central New England intercahges with New England Central(a real railroad) in Statford, Ct, CSOR in Hartford, Ct, Housatonic RR in Canaan, Ct, and CSX in Campbell Hall, Pa.
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#48
I think that what we're actually doing here is testing out an actual car exchange. It may or may not be a success, and meanwhile, if enough guys are willing to establish they each have the same Accurail Santa Fe box or Athearn MKT covered hopper with the same numbers, they could certainly go ahead and try that and see if it works. However, decaling equipment so it has the same numbers as another guy seems like a certain amount of work in itself. Time will tell whether shipping is too expensive or too much of a hassle.

I'm inclined to want to work toward what eightyeightfan is proposing, where we have a good idea of industries, locations, and regions of each guy's layout. When I post on shipping my first car later today, I'll suggest some things there, too. Right now I think we're doing the right thing in having two guys take a first concrete step, and we can work toward having more bells and whistles as we go along. The point I would make, in fact, is that the idea of having an exchange of real cars via mail, UPS, DHL, or whatever, looks appealing enough that two guys are actually going to give it a try.
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#49
jwb Wrote:Right now I think we're doing the right thing in having two guys take a first concrete step, and we can work toward having more bells and whistles as we go along. The point I would make, in fact, is that the idea of having an exchange of real cars via mail, UPS, DHL, or whatever, looks appealing enough that two guys are actually going to give it a try.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it works. Thumbsup
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#50
Ralph Wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing how it works. Thumbsup

Me too. My end will probably hit the post office Tuesday or Wednesday. Going to get some photos today. I am missing something with what you are saying Eighty Eight. Could you run through it again?
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#51
I found this on the web, not sure how much of a copyright issue it presents, but it's certainly been out and about elsewhere. (I think it may fall under "fair use" for the purpose of comment. I got it from the Files section of the V&O Historical Society Yahoo group, so I'd say its pretty close to public-domain.) I'm posting it here as an example of how some modelers see their railroads in terms of interchange, and I think this may be something like what eightyeightfan has in mind:    
For instance, if I wanted the Zellerbach paper mill in Smith Junction on my AB&C to get wood chips off the V&O, I'd be thinking of it in terms of the wood chip loader in Elm Grove. "Paperwork" would reflect that, and the shipment might involve routing over an intermediate layout.

It seems to me that you'd have to have a certain number of people participating to start to have a map like this, and the specific problem here is that it's permanent -- if a new guy joins BigBlue and wants to interchange, it would be a hassle to update whatever records we had to accommodate the new layout. Not to say it couldn't be done, but there'd have to be a good level of commitment among the core people involved.

I would say that this is part of the hobby vision of guys like John Allen and Allen McClelland, and it's worth some effort to see if we can continue to make it work.
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#52
So in order for me to ship this load of coal to you, I would send it Eighty Eight first and he would forward it to you. If that is what he means we might try to add that later. But for now K.I.S.S
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#53
In part, it would depend on exactly where each guy's railroad was on the map (though as I've said about my layout, nobody can remember which side the general on the Civil War memorial on my layout fought on, so putting it on a map might be a problem). And whether you routed it via the guy would depend on his mood, whether he was on vacation, the time of day, the weather, etc etc etc. I agree, KISS for now!!
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#54
First shipping move has been started.
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#55
I went looking for possible paperwork over the weekend -- I knew there have been recent articles on more prototypical waybills in both RMC and MR recently. MR had an article in the February 2012 issue that had a reference to a waybill form in MS Excel that was available to subscribers for download on the MR site. I downloaded this and converted one cell to MS Word. Here it is for those who might be interested.
.doc   Waybill in word.doc (Size: 44 KB / Downloads: 76)
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#56
I like that............I think.
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#57
were there other forms available?
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#58
There's a coal order form, which might be good for coal-oriented layouts. But there are also free forms for this downloadable for non-subscribers as part of the Virginian project. No waybills, but coal documents that could certainly be modified:
.pdf   Virginian%20Mine%20order.pdf (Size: 41.15 KB / Downloads: 226)
.pdf   Virginian%20Switch%20List.pdf (Size: 53.24 KB / Downloads: 268)
.pdf   Virginian%20Coal%20Mine%20block.pdf (Size: 35.85 KB / Downloads: 243)
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#59
Just in case there is someone who doesn't know, we have started a trial run that you can keep up with at
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#60
Looks like you guys are having fun!
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