"TENDER TUESDAY"

[doctorwayne]

Nicely-done, Lutz!

Wayne

[cn nutbar]

The tender of CNR T2A #4100 is probably larger that H6 Ten-wheeler #1533 as they pass each other at Leetown's coaling tower

[e-paw]

Nice one Mr. Nutbar...

I am going to continue on with what I started a few weeks back. A tender that is not behind a steam engine, but a LIRR rotary snow plow.
   

   

I guess that you could call this end the fireman's office.
   

   

It seams that the LIRR felt it was not necessary to have a backup light on the tender as it was pushed by another locomotive mostly from this end.
   

[e-paw]

I almost forgot....I took a shot of the connections between the plow and tender. It gives a nice look at the draw bar and water lines.
   

[doctorwayne]

It's interesting to see Dolphin trucks under that tender. I believe that the Pennsy was also a user of that style, which might explain their presence.

Wayne

[e-paw]

I was wondering what the name of those trucks were. I thought they were familiar, sure unique. Thanks for the info Doc.

[e-paw]

Welcome gentlemen to another Tender Tuesday. This week I have an old brass tender to talk about. It's an International Model Products (I M P) unfinished kit from the 1950's . I picked this up on EBay a few months back for a steal. She represents an early CNJ L-6 4-6-0 camel built by Baldwin. Here's a link to a pic of one in service at the Communipaw shops in Jersey city <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj-s0759g17.jpg">http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj-s0759g17.jpg</a><!-- m --> . They were numbered from 750 to 759 built in September and October of 1910 and lasted on the system until November of 1954. The tenders held 7,500 gallons of water and 13 tons of coal (as built). Latter on the coal boards were raised to add an extra 2 tons of fuel. Some of these tenders had water scoops and most were equipped with a Pyle-National 125 watt generator for head end lighting. The generators were added to the rear deck of the tenders in the mid to late 30's to replace the battery system that passenger cars had used for lighting. These tenders did not start their careers in passenger service, but in fast freight. The pic in this link shows the rear deck mounted generator on an L-7 engine, basically identical to the L-6 <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj-s0774ggD.jpg">http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj-s0774ggD.jpg</a><!-- m --> .
The drive may be beyond repair and the detail on the boiler very crude, but I can turn this into a very nice model. The tender is nicely done and provides a great starting point for a project.

   

   

   

   

   

[cn nutbar]

[e-paw]

Today I found a great article on the NYC use of tender mounted water scoops and track pans. This enabled them to pick up 6,000 gallons of water in 17 seconds at 85 MPH :o .
I have posted the link below, please take a look, lots of cool info in there.

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[doctorwayne]

Thanks for providing that link, Steve, as it filled in a few details of which I was unaware, particularly regarding the revised scoop design.
I had heard the tale of the hobo frozen while riding "in the blind", but not the one of the scooped torso.

Wayne

[BR60103]

Interesting write up.
The locos that ran from London to Edinburgh were 5000 gals and 8 tons coal. They picked up many times. It would be interesting to know how much coal would boil how much water.

There were incidents in Britain. I think once the overflow knocked out the cab windows on a passing train and severly injured or killed the driver.

[Schraddel]

Here is a NYC tender with a visibls water scoop:


There are none of such devices as overflow pipes and vents as described in the linked article. May be this was not necesary because the tender here is trailing behind an H10b class mikado which developed not so high speeds.

Cheers Lutz

[e-paw]

Nice Lutz. I believe that the NYC H10 class and CNJ's M class mikes had the same cylinder and wheel size that would have limited them to about 50 MPH.

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[e-paw]

Evening all, and welcome to another week of Tender Tuesday. For the next two weeks we are going tender-less. Not all equipment had a specialized car it towed along to carry it's fuel. There were plenty of smaller (and larger) engines that had a built in version of a tender. This one here is one of my favorite surviving examples, CNR #47. She was built in 1914 by the Montreal Loco works from Alco drawings. I believe on the CNR they called them Baltics, Most other railroads called 4-6-4's Hudson's. I guess you can say that this tender is very Zen as it is one with it's engine.
   
The CNJ also had a group of nearly identical engines, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://forums.mylargescale.com/members/7347-totalwrecker-albums-mudsons-suburban-tank-commuter-loco-picture7122-cnj229s.jpg">http://forums.mylargescale.com/members/ ... nj229s.jpg</a><!-- m --> on the Central they were known as suburban's. The only major difference was the wide belly firebox and notched cab meant to burn anthracite coal. These tenders were also equipped with a cow catcher to allow for reverse running and carried 2,900 gallons of water and 5 tons of coal.
   
Here is a close of the tender deck details.
   

All sorts of other side and saddle tankers <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2907994">http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2907994</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4575500">http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4575500</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3691986">http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=3691986</a><!-- m --> had similar set ups in all sorts of gauges, and lets not forget Forney types <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3920908">http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=3920908</a><!-- m --> .

A famous one is Tomas, Here rebuilt from BEDT #15 . Her sister, #13 was linked above. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3331013">http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=3331013</a><!-- m -->

My whole purpose of this thread is to get people to realize that the tender is just as important as the engine it's attached to. One can not operate without other. Sometimes the story behind the tender is more involved then the motive power it fuels.

[e-paw]

Evening all and welcome once again to "Tender Tuesday" where we are tender-less once again.
Today I ask the question, Is it a tender, if it also provides tractive effort? One instantly thinks of geared locomotives like a Shay, or Climax as shown here....<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3232523">http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=3232523</a><!-- m --> and here....<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1607189">http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1607189</a><!-- m -->

I wanted to point out one of the more unusual engines,,,, The Breyer Garrett articulated locomotive. They carry two different tenders that are not really tenders., One for water and one for coal. These pseudo tenders also provide all the tractive effort for this engine. a prototype pic is shown here....
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I had even built one of these when I was like 12 or 13 , I still own it today. It's a bit crude, but it still runs.    

Along with the Garrett there is also something similar to this that ran in the U.S. The Erie built it's famous Triplex. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://njrails.tripod.com/20th_Century/Erie/erie_5014.jpg">http://njrails.tripod.com/20th_Century/ ... e_5014.jpg</a><!-- m -->
The Erie ended up removing the tender engines on these locos as they tended to run out of steam with three sets of cylinders pulling pressure from a single boiler.

So is it still a tender????