A sad day in Oslo
#1
Hi -

Just wanted to let friends and fellow model railroaders here know that I and my family all avoided the terrorist bomb in Oslo yesterday. I was at work, about 10 minutes subway ride north of the site of the explosion, and initially thought the huge boom it was a thunderclap, since it was a gray day and we were expecting rain.

I quickly learned otherwise, as colleagues started spreading the news to each other that the media was reporting a large explosion downtown.

But in an ironic way - we were not too surprised - everybody had been mentally prepared for an Islamic terrorist bomb eventually - since both of our neighboring capitals - Stockholm in Sweden and Copenhagen in Denmark had seen terrorist acts before, and since we have troops fighting in Afghanistan and planes bombing in Libya.

The initial reaction among colleagues was one of somewhat defiant scorn towards the assumed terrorists setting off a bomb after 3 pm on a Friday, in the middle of the vacation season, where the number of casualties at the government offices and businesses around the site would be far lower than what they would have been in many other places. I guess we were feeling mad that someone was trying to push us around, and determined that they would not succeed in terrorizing us.

But then, about an hour later, we got the news that a man dressed as a policeman was shooting at teenagers and young adults at the labor party youth summer camp at Utoya island in lake Tyrifjorden among the hills 20 miles or so NW of Oslo. Armed Police eventually assaulted the island, and the perpetrator was arrested shortly after that.

Then came the big shock. This was not an attack by Islamist fundamentalists.

Instead it was like Oklahoma City all over again. One of our own that had gone rogue - that had filled his mind with the insane hatred some preach against their own democratically elected government - a man who described himself as conservative christian, who probably hated the "socialists" and "traitors" who he felt was not tough enough on immigration, and who chose bullets and bombs instead of words and ballots as the way to try to change the mind of his countrymen.

As of this morning, police has confirmed that at least 84 children from age 13 up has been murdered at Utoya summer camp, and they are still searching for bodies, so the number may still go up. Several unexploded bombs has been defused by army explosive ordinance disposal specialists at Camp Utoya.

I am relieved that none of my closest family and friends were caught in the blast in Oslo - my sister-in-law and young nephew was showing some friends from abroad around town, but they had left the downtown area, and was heading for home on the freeway by the time the blast happened. And as far as I know, no close friends or family members had kids among the 500 or so kids at Utoya yesterday.

But I also know that we are a small people in a small country, and that every one in this country is likely to be no more than a few persons removed by kinship or by friendship from the families that were hit by tragedy yesterday.

As a fellow parent and fellow human, I feel heart broken at the thought of all the poor parents and siblings getting the news that their child or brother or sister has been murdered. I also feel pretty mad about those who choose to incite to hatred against their fellow citizens and fellow humans - those who fill and poison the minds of the mentally unstable with the idea that they need to "do something" in a violent way.

I'll stop now. And go figure out a way to display our two red, white and blue balcony flags - the Norwegian and the American - at half pole today, as a sign of sympathy towards those who lost loved ones yesterday.

Stein
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#2
Hi Stein,

I'm glad to hear that you and your family are OK. Vigdis and I were on a shopping trip to Sweden yesterday when we first heard about it on the radio, and today we are still in a state of shock and disbelief. Our thoughts go to all those who were killed or injured in this morbid and crazy attack, and to their families and loved ones.

Svein
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#3
Hi Stein - they aren't ALL locked away, and their Human Rights let them walk amongst us - regretably those who enact such laws ignore totally the human rights of the possible victims!
My thoughts are with you and the people of your country, glad that you and yours were not involved.
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#4
Hi Stein,

I just learned about this & am still processing it. My family & I on holiday visiting family in the UK and have this on the TV. It's horrible & shocking.

Thanks for letting us know that you & your family are OK.

Rob
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#5
How awful... Needless... I get very angry when I read news like this... I just going to leave it at that and say that although we are an ocean apart you, yours and a nation of people have my support in this time of crisis.
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#6
Glad to here that you and your family are fine, I just heard of the attack in our news paper but your account is much more informative. I cant wait for the day when these cowardly attacks are a thing of the past.
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#7
Stein, I am so glad to hear that you and your loved ones are OK. The news of the attacks was shocking and it seems that as the story unfolds it becomes even more confusing and senseless. My thoughts are with you and the people of Norway. Our forum has created connections for us around the world and something like this event touches us all in a more personal way.

My sympathies and support.

Ralph
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#8
Hi Stein I am glad to hear that you and your family are OK.
Like everyone I began seeing snippets of firstly the blast then the shootings, and it seemed like one minute the toll was under twenty then the next it had climbed to over eighty. This marks the event as a really serious terrorist event, and to discover he was 'home grown' is even more disturbing, especially when the media posted a portrait photo of the arrested man. For some reason seeing 'his' photo so soon was quite chilling.
Its all just too much to discuss at the moment, but I want you to let people know that Aussies are thinking of you all, and we are always prepared to help when trouble strikes.

Mark

Damn I just viewed my newspaper via the web and the toll is now 92 and police are asking 'Did he act alone?'.
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#9
It is a sad day for everyone in the free world, that people are so intent on taking our freedoms away. Whether it be a terrorist group, foreign or otherwise, or just a single nutcase that wants to make a name for themselves, it is indeed difficult to control them. I'm sure the entire world extends their sympathy to those who are directly affected. We are glad that you and your family are all safe. I just wish that there were better ways of preventing these things from happening, even at the cost of aggravating a few groups that protest beyond reason.
Don (ezdays) Day
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founder of the CANYON STATE RAILROAD
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#10
Thank you for the expressions of sympathy, guys.

It seems very likely that the actual attack was the work of a single person - a white Norwegian muslimophobe (a "counterjihadist"), who had a strong hatred against the slightly left of center labor party - referring to them (in posts in various web forums that only was discovered after the attack) as "marxists" and "traitors" - for not being as harsh against Muslims in Norway as he wanted.

Right before the attack yesterday he uploaded a 12 minute video of himself with a rifle and and wearing a badge reading "Marxist hunter", along with a 1500 page diary/manuscript, where he describes step by step how he had made the bomb - it had taken him 80 days.

The second guy who got arrested apparently was one of the survivors from the attack. He seemingly had the misfortune of still being so nervous after he had gotten to a safe place that he armed himself by putting a sharp knife in his pocket.

Not so smart a move under the given circumstances - the survivors from Utøya had been collected there, the prime minister and two ministers were there, the king, the queen and the crown prince were there, and the place was teeming with police officers and security people. Someone shouted "knife", and two police officers jumped him, secured him and hauled him away to be interogated, in case he was a copycat wanna-be terrorist. Police has since announced that he has been checked out of the terrorist case.

Stein
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steinjr Wrote:It seems very likely that the actual attack was the work of a single person - a white Norwegian muslimophobe (a "counterjihadist"), who had a strong hatred against the slightly left of center labor party - referring to them (in posts in various web forums that only was discovered after the attack) as "marxists" and "traitors" - for not being as harsh against Muslims in Norway as he wanted. Stein

" --and nine rings were given to the race of men, who, above all else, desire power "


Guess it's time to develop a cure....terrorism is contagious! Eek

So, it took "Homo Stupidicus" 80 days to build his bomb....three months ago, he could hardly spell his own name.
We are going extinct, and "HE" will become the dominant species on Earth --- for about the six and three quarters minutes it takes to terrorize his own kind into extinction, himself in the process.
When the Rapture comes, there will be no one here to see its arrival.
Sorry.
Terrorism makes us all feel vulnerable, unprotected, and very much the "duty moving target", and the media "glorifies" the terrorist, by simply making his atrocities known world wide, in seconds.
One voice cannot express all the sorrow.
One heart cannot bear all the grief and loss.
One mind cannot comprehend the senselessness of indiscriminate murder.
I've tried, and it's too painful.
May his victims be at peace.
We always learn far more from our own mistakes, than we will ever learn from another's advice.
The greatest place to live life, is on the sharp leading edge of a learning curve.
Lead me not into temptation.....I can find it myself!
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#12
Sumpter250 Wrote:So, it took "Homo Stupidicus" 80 days to build his bomb....three months ago, he could hardly spell his own name.

What on earth are you talking about?

Stein, confused
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#13
Isn't it ironic that Extremists almost always participate in the same activities that they say they are against, This man was using terrorism to fight terrorism, which made him a terrorist.

When we were searching Bin Laden's compound for Intel, they found a case full of umm.... X-rated material, which is strictly forbidden by Muslim law.

Terrorists usually don't fully agree with the cause they are fighting for, they just want to feel important. They enjoy the power that comes with being able to take lives.
Justin Miller
Modeling the Lebanon Industrial Railway (LIRY)
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#14
It is a sad and terrible act on the innocent. I'm genuinely sorry for the loss of so many.
Mark

Citation Latitude Captain
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Lt Colonel, USAF (Retired)
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#15
I have already said too much.
My prayer, this day, is for the families of the victims.

May your memories of your loved ones, quickly lose the deep and overwhelming pain of their loss. May that pain be replaced by the memories of the joys, the love, and the wonder, of the time you had with them, undimmed by the tragedy that took them. May the strength and the peace of the Lord, and the power of your Faith, sustain you as these things are done.
We always learn far more from our own mistakes, than we will ever learn from another's advice.
The greatest place to live life, is on the sharp leading edge of a learning curve.
Lead me not into temptation.....I can find it myself!
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