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shortliner;

That's an interesting plan for a portable switching layout based on the spur in Anchorage, AK.

I've finally decided on going with this track plan (the last one I posted on Dec 26th):[attachment=6601]
This morning, I laid out all the track and temporarily pinned it down and have been testing out operations on it and it's going to be just fine. So this week, I'm going to start building it for real. Plenty to keep me occupied for some time with all the structures that must be scratch built or kit-bashed, etc. Best part is that a typical operating session takes as long as 90 minutes to complete.

Once I actually start construction and I get up my nerve, I may start a thread showing the layout progress.
FCIN Wrote:...Across the street is Alaska Mill & Feed Fertilizer that also has a rail spur. In this aerial view you can see a covered hopper spotted at both these industries...
Those kind of industry requiring some kind of loading/unloading/storage facilities for stuff transported in covered hoppers is quite common to find. The problem is the level of detail required to have a nice model is quite high. The piping, platforms, ladders, handrails etc. are quite complicated. In Vernon is a nice bakery. A "shoebox building" but they have external unloading and storage facilities for flour. From model point of view similar to Mill & Feed Fertilizer.
I did search plastic kits that could be used as a good starting point for kit bashing.
The "standard" Walthers grain elevators are of little use for that purpose. The new ethanol industry might be a base for kit bashing but I do not feel comfortable to buy kits for more than $100 for kit bashing purposes only.
faraway Wrote:Those kind of industry requiring some kind of loading/unloading/storage facilities for stuff transported in covered hoppers is quite common to find. The problem is the level of detail required to have a nice model is quite high. The piping, platforms, ladders, handrails etc. are quite complicated. In Vernon is a nice bakery. A "shoebox building" but they have external unloading and storage facilities for flour. From model point of view similar to Mill & Feed Fertilizer.
I did search plastic kits that could be used as a good starting point for kit bashing. The "standard" Walthers grain elevators are of little use for that purpose.
Walther's grain and feed bins along with those made by Rix Products can work quite well to model grain elevators and feed mills, Although you might have to reduce the height of some of them - the feed mill surge bins, being a one example.

Here are some photos of a small grain elevator that I threw together about 10 years ago using Rix Products bins, piping and grain leg along with a Walther's drier.[attachment=6604][attachment=6603][attachment=6602]
Never did finish it completely and have no use for it now, although I might salvage a couple of the bins for use on a new structure if they'll look right. There are a lot more finely detailed parts available these days were I going to build another one; metal ladders and cages, better looking grain leg, etc. But this one captured the look of the prototype I based in on and was all that was available to work with at the time.

I sure know what you mean about not wanting to spend $100 or more for plastic kits to kit-bash or even to use as is. I literally get sick when I see the prices that Walther's and some other companies are charging for plastic kits with moderate detail and often warped parts that won't fit together properly without a lot of work. But if you need grain bins, that's about the only way to go, but again, the prices have jumped considerably compared to what they were a few years ago. The model in my photos cost me about $80 10 years ago and that was a lot of greenbacks to spend for one model!
Ed,I like the plan you decided to go with.. Thumbsup

I also like that crossing location..

That should make the public happy Icon_twisted

Blocking a crossing while switching has alwas been one of my ISL goals.
FCIN Wrote:...Here are some photos of a small grain elevator ...
That is to dedicated for grain processing. I think more on something like (the tank and pipe part only):
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That could be easy attached to a "shoe box building" for form some industry that needs tank and covered hopper cars.

But sorry, I am going to hijack your thread.
One advantage for the modeler with Alaska is that the isolation results in rail service to some industries that would have switched to trucks years ago in the "lower 48." I once worked with a couple of mechanics who had previously been owner operators of 18 wheelers. They had seen the high freight rates paid for hauling products up the Alaskan Highway to Anchorage and thought they would try for some of that "gravy." The road was so rough that they blew out 18 tires on one round trip and ended up paying more for tires and repairs than they made on the trip!

Probably most freight to Anchorasge, Fairbanks, and other towns along the Alaska Railway come in by ship to Whittier, Alaska and are transported by train to the final destination.

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I've pasted a route map from the Alaska Railway website. Notice that the highway does not go to Whittier, and the ships only go to Whittier. That means that virtually all of the freight destined for cities along the Alaska Railway comes in by ship. Some of it may be on trailers that are loaded to piggy back flats to be taken by the railway to the various destinations, but much of it is just as easily loaded on a freight car and delivered to a local industry by the railway.
Hey Ed,

Like this design as well... Time to get building man!!!

Just want to say a massive thanks for all the help!

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Cheers

Thanks for all the help you have given me also. Thumbsup
Justin and Callum;

You're both quite welcome and happy that I've been able to help some. Now you two just need to get me motivated enough to stop running trains my "proposed" plan and actually start building the final version. I'm quite happy with the plan I have, although I'm still considering one minor track/industry change to it; but just haven't quite gotten myself fired up enough to "get on with it".

With warmer weather and some pretty nice days lately, we now have watching and photographing the real thing competing with the modeling. But with gas prices very close to $4 a gallon today, the rail fanning stuff may just have to go on the back burner.
KNOCK KNOCK... Just came to see whats happening??

I still like that last plan you posted...with maybe a trailing spur at the top when you come in...just as a change...

Callum
SSWUPinSA Wrote:KNOCK KNOCK... Just came to see whats happening??
I still like that last plan you posted...with maybe a trailing spur at the top when you come in...just as a change...
Callum
Hi Callum;

Well as you know from our emails I'm still playing around with possible changes to the track plan. Been operating the layout quite a bit and really enjoy it. That may be one reason I'm not getting anything else done. Just too darn easy to make up a switch list and spend a pleasant hour running the train!

Have changed the plan to where there are only 4 switches on it at this time. More track and switches doesn't equate to more operation as long as the industries have multiple car spots and a pretty good variety of equipment.

You sure are coming along nicely with your layout and I love the structure mockups you've created. Look's like both of us are going to have a structure like Trujillo & Sons in Miami, FL. Just something about it!
Been some time since I've updated this thread, so here's what is currently happening or not happening as the case may be. Recent health issues have slowed me down a bit, but hoping to get that corrected soon. Getting older is a bummer as we used to say.

This is the current track plan that I've been using and operating.[attachment=7530] Very simple yet prototypical track arrangement for an industrial spur. With only 4 turnouts it probably appears too simple for some folks, but we each have our own like/dislikes and thoughts on layout construction. I sure have no problem with that.

On this plan, the train is staged at the left (west end we'll call it), as though it had just entered the spur off the main track, with a maximum of 5 inbound cars. The train is shoved to the east end to begin working the spur. The train works it way back west, switching each industry as required.

Peerless Confections (based on the former facility in Chicago, IL) can spot one tank car of HFCS and one Airslide hopper of sugar at any one time. Only problem here is that the structure will be between the front edge of the layout and the track, but other than not seeing the cars on spot when viewing the layout unless you view the layout from the east end, I haven't found that to be too much of a problem, but perhaps just not an ideal situation.

Durkee Food Service (based on Trujillo & Sons, Mimai, FL, but taking the name of a similar facility that used to be on the L&N in Louisville, KY) can spot one tank car of vegetable oil, and two box cars or a box car and reefer at any one time.

Chesapeake Container can spot up to 4 box cars of pulpboard or paper rolls at any one time. I keep going back and forth as to whether this will be Chesapeake Container or a distribution warehouse, but that's neither here nor there at the moment as they both would spot box cars and rarely more than 3 at any one time. Got to have plenty of box car spots for those colorful IPD box cars I have.

Finally, the transload track handles cars of lumber, brick and building products along with the occasional car of Budweiser and also spots covered hoppers of feed and/or fertilizer to be off-loaded in to trucks using a portable conveyor.

When all switching has been completed, the train simply moves back to the west end as though it was heading off the spur back on the main and to the yard where it originated. Operating sessions are taking from 45 minutes to an hour with no "time killing" other than just operating at scale speeds; stopping to flag a crossing when required and; waiting a couple of seconds after coupling/uncoupling cars. Have also found that when two of us have operated this plan, it tends to take even longer.

Now here is another possible track plan that I've been playing around with some. Again, a very simple plan. [attachment=7529] You'll quickly note that this one has only three industries and includes a run around track, more or less required in order to work spurs in both directions.

I now have Bloomer Chocolate (based on the facility in Union City, CA) on the west end, which spots covered hoppers of cocoa beans at the end of the track, then can spot tank cars of HFCS and Airslides of sugar toward the east end of the structure. These are often placed as either one tank, one Airslide or sometimes only two of each depending on the customers requirements. On this plan I'm going with a distribution warehouse that can spot up to 4 box cars, but seldom more than 2 or 3 at any one time. The Durkee Foods plant has now been modified to more closely resemble the track arrangement of Trujillo & Sons in Miami, FL, but still can spot only 3 cars at any one time as per the prototype.

On this plan, the train could either be staged at the west end as per the current operating scheme or the whole spur could be operated as though it were a separate operation and treat the west end as an interchange point. One other thing that I've had mixed feelings about lately is that due to my self imposed 5 car inbound train length, perhaps fewer industries would work better. A little less variety in some ways, but still uses all my car types, except a few bulkhead flats with lumber loads that I have. With each industry having multiple car spots, it should still provide plenty of operation.

I'm rather undecided at the moment about making this change and may just have to actually get off my rear and place the track to see how it feels. Guess what's stopping me from changing the track is some fear that I'll change it all and then decide that the first plan was actually better! I keep working this plan in my mind and it seems okay, but just not sure if it's what I'd ultimately want.

One other wrinkle has come in to the equation recently. I may actually have more space available for my ISL, provided I can convince SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) to get rid of some of the junk down in the basement and to be able to get rid of some of my own junk. Amazing how much junk two people can acquire over the years! Not only that, but it seems that over the past few years, my basement has also become a storage facility for some of the in-laws! Not what I ever envisioned when we purchased this house!
Ed,

What ever happened with the tracks in the warehouse that you were discussing?

Bruce
bdw9535 Wrote:Ed,

What ever happened with the tracks in the warehouse that you were discussing?

Bruce
Bruce;
Have pretty much given up on that idea simply because it would be a problem to place/pull cars from inside the structure without having to resort to pulling the whole track just to reach one or two cars. We sure wouldn't do that on the prototype. I don't care for using magnetic uncoupling and plan on cutting off the trip pins from my couplers as I prefer to manually uncouple every thing.

It's still a thought and would make for an interesting scene, being able to look inside the structure with a detailed interior, but just can't think of a good way to work it.
Ed:It's still a thought and would make for an interesting scene, being able to look inside the structure with a detailed interior, but just can't think of a good way to work it.
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Could do it as a non rail industry or have the car spot outside.

I like the plan without the run around..Simple but,very efficient since it leaves lots of room for scenery..


I would probably add a trailer drop lot..
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