01-12-2014, 03:54 PM
Dave, thank you for your detailed explanations.
I would like to repeat some of my thoughts in the construction of the model.
We and my friend have had first this sketch only from the 1913 catalog of Seattle Car and Foundry Co. together with these dimension dates.
Length 34' and hight inside 10' 2'. All out of standard dates like gauge, coupler hight etc.
And later, we have received this image of Carstens reefer without any info, but with the big assumption that this could be an identical car.
First compromise is that we built models on base of 36' frames with result that models are 2' too long.
Second problem was to find an appropriate external height corresponding to the inner height of 10' 2". In result the models have a height over all of 51 millimeters or 4.437 meters or 14' 6½'. This is a really high car and 2 or 3 inches more are to add for the brake wheel.
My friend and I have discussed a long time about the left ice hatches (look on end of car).
At end we have decided to add four ice hatches because we do not know about the car in new condition - so as we build - and because we do not know about the Carsten reefer is it pictured in modified condition or in old but original one. One is visible, the Carstens reefer is used and maybe rebuild also. Compare the condition of doors.
We know that a few more information and pictures would be very helpful. But so we think that we should finish the models now and we know also that we started with a compromise and so these models will never be absolutely correct. However they are looking good with their extraordinary height and the painting will give these models the last finish. Let you surprise or click my website. There is a preview.
And an addition yet.
The cars were built around 1913 or later and there was used a steel frame - we so would like to say that this is a modern feature for that time!
We (my friend Joerg and I) were sure that this car with such a (modern) equipment and built in or after 1913 must have archbar trucks with a wheelbase of 6' or more. But the Carstens reefer clearly shows that the wheelbase was 5' or 5'2" only. (I have calculeted this using the well known car length over all.) Were older trucks mounted below of an old car?
One problem more, or? Here we have once more a bit of playing ground and nobody can give us the correct answer. But I must say also that I and we would made many more errors without the help in forum here. And so thanks to all for your opinions and answers on our questions.
Now the latest addition yet. Yesterday I received the locks for the ice hatches, etched from 0.08' nickelsilver.
I would like to repeat some of my thoughts in the construction of the model.
We and my friend have had first this sketch only from the 1913 catalog of Seattle Car and Foundry Co. together with these dimension dates.
Length 34' and hight inside 10' 2'. All out of standard dates like gauge, coupler hight etc.
And later, we have received this image of Carstens reefer without any info, but with the big assumption that this could be an identical car.
First compromise is that we built models on base of 36' frames with result that models are 2' too long.
Second problem was to find an appropriate external height corresponding to the inner height of 10' 2". In result the models have a height over all of 51 millimeters or 4.437 meters or 14' 6½'. This is a really high car and 2 or 3 inches more are to add for the brake wheel.
My friend and I have discussed a long time about the left ice hatches (look on end of car).
At end we have decided to add four ice hatches because we do not know about the car in new condition - so as we build - and because we do not know about the Carsten reefer is it pictured in modified condition or in old but original one. One is visible, the Carstens reefer is used and maybe rebuild also. Compare the condition of doors.
We know that a few more information and pictures would be very helpful. But so we think that we should finish the models now and we know also that we started with a compromise and so these models will never be absolutely correct. However they are looking good with their extraordinary height and the painting will give these models the last finish. Let you surprise or click my website. There is a preview.
And an addition yet.
The cars were built around 1913 or later and there was used a steel frame - we so would like to say that this is a modern feature for that time!
We (my friend Joerg and I) were sure that this car with such a (modern) equipment and built in or after 1913 must have archbar trucks with a wheelbase of 6' or more. But the Carstens reefer clearly shows that the wheelbase was 5' or 5'2" only. (I have calculeted this using the well known car length over all.) Were older trucks mounted below of an old car?
One problem more, or? Here we have once more a bit of playing ground and nobody can give us the correct answer. But I must say also that I and we would made many more errors without the help in forum here. And so thanks to all for your opinions and answers on our questions.
Now the latest addition yet. Yesterday I received the locks for the ice hatches, etched from 0.08' nickelsilver.
![[Image: whiteswan-iceh-locks_k.jpg]](http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/whiteswan-reefer/whiteswan-iceh-locks_k.jpg)
Cheers, Bernd
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Please visit also my website www.us-modelsof1900.de.
You can read some more about my model projects and interests in my chronicle of facebook.