04-14-2011, 03:06 PM
Getting back on topic.
The story,........ as heard by a young boy (me) who respected his Dad......
Its debatable if Pearl was sacrifice.
It was.
Its a well known fact FDR wanted to enter the war against Germany but,the American people didn't.
FDR wasn't keen on the idea, but Winston Churchill desperately wanted the U.S. in the War in Europe. When we declared war on Japan, as a result of the "sneak attack" on Pearle, Germany had no choice but to declare war on us, and we were suddenly "in Europe". The war effort also managed to get us out of "The Great Depression"........something which isn't working these days.
Its a well known fact that we knew all the Japanese main battle carriers had disappeared and hours before the attack we knew where they was going to strike...
The Australians were tracking the Japanese fleet, and were routinely updating Washington on the fleet's progress, and heading.
Why was the war warning sent by Western Union instead of a military message? Surely the Army,Marines,AAF or Navy had working communications.
Never heard that one explained.
There are other facts that points toward the U.S knowing a attack was highly possible a week before the attack.
Plenty of them, as I remember hearing.
Why was our carriers order out of Pearl?
By Executive order. The General responsible for Hawaii, was left "out of the loop", as was the Admiral, in charge of the fleet. Both officers, "took the fall" for what they had no idea was coming. I believe they have since both been exonerated, of any bad judgment
The ships in Pearle were manned at "Skeleton Crew" levels, also by executive order.
If one chooses to dig around in the History of United States "involvement" in many of the worlds "historical moments", one should do it, knowing full well, in advance, that they will find more than the ordinary number of 'Snakes In The Grass". The one thing that can be said about us, that generally holds true throughout our history, is that we tried to do the "right" ( as in morally, and ethically correct ) thing.
There are not always "men of good character", making our nations decisions.
That said, maybe it's a good time to remember the far-too-many good Americans who have died defending our freedoms, and back away from political debate here.
Any subject that raises "passions", quickly tends to turn ugly.
Let there be peace.
P.R.Juengst
CPO USN RET
The story,........ as heard by a young boy (me) who respected his Dad......
Its debatable if Pearl was sacrifice.
It was.
Its a well known fact FDR wanted to enter the war against Germany but,the American people didn't.
FDR wasn't keen on the idea, but Winston Churchill desperately wanted the U.S. in the War in Europe. When we declared war on Japan, as a result of the "sneak attack" on Pearle, Germany had no choice but to declare war on us, and we were suddenly "in Europe". The war effort also managed to get us out of "The Great Depression"........something which isn't working these days.
Its a well known fact that we knew all the Japanese main battle carriers had disappeared and hours before the attack we knew where they was going to strike...
The Australians were tracking the Japanese fleet, and were routinely updating Washington on the fleet's progress, and heading.
Why was the war warning sent by Western Union instead of a military message? Surely the Army,Marines,AAF or Navy had working communications.
Never heard that one explained.
There are other facts that points toward the U.S knowing a attack was highly possible a week before the attack.
Plenty of them, as I remember hearing.
Why was our carriers order out of Pearl?
By Executive order. The General responsible for Hawaii, was left "out of the loop", as was the Admiral, in charge of the fleet. Both officers, "took the fall" for what they had no idea was coming. I believe they have since both been exonerated, of any bad judgment
The ships in Pearle were manned at "Skeleton Crew" levels, also by executive order.
If one chooses to dig around in the History of United States "involvement" in many of the worlds "historical moments", one should do it, knowing full well, in advance, that they will find more than the ordinary number of 'Snakes In The Grass". The one thing that can be said about us, that generally holds true throughout our history, is that we tried to do the "right" ( as in morally, and ethically correct ) thing.
There are not always "men of good character", making our nations decisions.
That said, maybe it's a good time to remember the far-too-many good Americans who have died defending our freedoms, and back away from political debate here.
Any subject that raises "passions", quickly tends to turn ugly.
Let there be peace.
P.R.Juengst
CPO USN RET
We always learn far more from our own mistakes, than we will ever learn from another's advice.
The greatest place to live life, is on the sharp leading edge of a learning curve.
Lead me not into temptation.....I can find it myself!
The greatest place to live life, is on the sharp leading edge of a learning curve.
Lead me not into temptation.....I can find it myself!