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Many years ago, I was sorting through a box of used model railroad junk and ran across some barges and tugboats that were obviously too small for HO scale. I have also seen them at train shows from time to time. Searching google to find out the manufacturer, I ran across this place:
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or search here:
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The barges I am familiar with are the ones by Noch. Are you going for an ocean harbor or a river or great lakes "harbor" scene?
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Russ Bellinis Wrote:It seems to me none of the ships hauling break bulk were bigger than 200 feet, and some may have been only 100-125 feet long. You might take a look at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.frenchmanriver.com">http://www.frenchmanriver.com</a><!-- m -->
Their kits are ho scale and larger, but a 68 foot steam freighter Hull and two piece deck kit might be a good start for an N-scale tramp steamer.
That would make a 147' freighter in N scale (about 9-1/2") This photo, is a 137' coastal freighter in HO, you could use as a reference.
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Biggest thing is to have a reason for your harbor.
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Kevin,
Those links are exactly what I've not been able to find so far! Thanks.
MountainMan,
Is... 'cause I want one... a good enough reason? Nah, seriously though, my aisleway in between two sections of my layout resembles a river/estuary and it just kind of fits with the industrial ambiance I'm trying to create in that area. Coming up with a reason has been the hard part.
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nachoman Wrote:Are you going for an ocean harbor or a river or great lakes "harbor" scene? Kevin,
I haven't decided on that one yet. I don't think it will be an ocean harbor as that does not fit with how my layouts been constructed (existing aiselway, bridge and a few other features). The more I think about it, I'm leaning towards a river/estuary.
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This guy is nearly local to us. I think he used to work on the lake boats.
http://www.isp.ca/sylvan/n-scaleproducts.htm
Not sure if these are what you want.
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Yes, YES, YES!! Thank you David. Zactly what I was looking for.
Thinking about this stuff has made me wonder if I was using the correct terminology to describe the things I was thinking about... I know it ain't trains but let me share what I looked up...
Harbor - a part of a body of water along the shore deep enough for anchoring a ship and so situated with respect to coastal features, whether natural or artificial, as to provide protection from winds, waves, and currents.
Dock - 1.a landing pier. 2.the space or waterway between two piers or wharves, as for receiving a ship while in port.
Pier - a structure built on posts extending from land out over water, used as a landing place for ships, an entertainment area, a strolling place, etc.; jetty.
Wharf - a structure built on the shore of or projecting into a harbor, stream, etc., so that vessels may be moored alongside to load or unload or to lie at rest; quay; pier.
Quay - a landing place, esp. one of solid masonry, constructed along the edge of a body of water; wharf.
Landing - a place where persons or goods are landed, as from a ship.
Jetty - 1.a pier or structure of stones, piles, or the like, projecting into the sea or other body of water to protect a harbor, deflect the current, etc. 2.a wharf or landing pier. 3.the piles or wooden structure protecting a pier.
As I don't have very much room for a large harbor, I wish to portray just the edge with one or two docks to tie up 2-3 boats of various sizes. Ideally, I'd like a tug, a barge, a small cargo carrier and a pleasure boat of some sort. Looks like I'm going to have to narrow things down a bit. I most definitely would like to have a pier but I don't know how to make that work with the space I've got.
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In rail transport, the practice of carrying trailers or semi-trailers on a train atop a flatcar (intermodal freight transport) is referred to as "piggy-backing.
Did the semi-trailers get loaded onto the ships just like the containers do now or was the product shipped via break bulk cargo and then packed into the semi-trailers to board the train for their destinations? If so (trailers loaded onto ships)... anybody got a picture of the ship? I can find all kinds showing the more modern containers but none of the trailers. What kind of ship would have been used for this?
I've got 5 well cars with several containers but they are just a bit too modern... I think. Not sure when semi trailers phased out and crates started getting used. I'd prefer to go with the semi trailers though I've not got very many of those.
EDIT: Been reading about CONTAINER SHIPS and it seems that since my crates are 40'ers, they would have been used as early as 1956... just barely sneaking in there at the end of the transition era. Since I've only got two steam engines anyways, I could blow this whole theory and go more modern by running my steamers as special exhibitons. Argh, gotta think some more about what it is I want.
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If I'm successful in posting this link, here is one I just looked at that was linked to a message board on the Model Railroading Hobbyist site.
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That was very interesting. Thanks! Got some more ideas.
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Hey guys... on this tramp steamer...
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The uprights on the fore and aft decks... are those on board cranes for loading/unloading?
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Yes, those are cranes.
You didn't mention what geographical area you want to model. If you model the Mississippi River area, tug boats pushing barges might be more prototypical. I have seen a lot of pics of barges on the Mississippi loaded with things like coal or other bulk loaded stuff, but I haven't seen any pics with containers or trucks or trailers. Logic suggests to me that there should be quite a bit of traffic up and down the river to New Orleans for shipment overseas, or from overseas into New Orleans to be transhipped up the river. You would not need to model an entire port. You could make the river your aisle, and model just one small terminal.
There may be others on the board who are much more familiar with river traffic on the Mississippi than I am who could be of more help to you.
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TrainNut Wrote:Kevin,
Those links are exactly what I've not been able to find so far! Thanks.
MountainMan,
Is... 'cause I want one... a good enough reason? Nah, seriously though, my aisleway in between two sections of my layout resembles a river/estuary and it just kind of fits with the industrial ambiance I'm trying to create in that area. Coming up with a reason has been the hard part.
Sure - you can put it right in the middle of town. 
Harbors are built to specifically serve certain industries, and vary enormously from place to place because of that. A fisheries harbor looks nothing like the automated jungle of a harbor serving the iron ore industry, or an oil loading port for example. Your first step is to decide what the purpose of your harbor is going to be, and then design it to meet that need.
Or just put it anyplace...
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MountainMan Wrote:Or just put it anyplace...
Don't do that, I already have a harbor facility there. 
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MountainMan Wrote:TrainNut Wrote:Is... 'cause I want one... a good enough reason? Sure - you can put it right in the middle of town.
Harbors are built to specifically serve certain industries, and vary enormously from place to place because of that. A fisheries harbor looks nothing like the automated jungle of a harbor serving the iron ore industry, or an oil loading port for example. Your first step is to decide what the purpose of your harbor is going to be, and then design it to meet that need. Easy there tiger. Be nice now. Come to think of it, I know of many, many proto examples where the town developed around the harbor hence the harbor initially being at the center of the town.
As to the rest of your comments above... insightful and thought provoking. In thinking about the purpose of a harbor on my layout... that brings me back to my initial comment... Simply because I wanted one. Since me wanting it is the need and purpose, I can now go to step two and design it such that it makes me happy. Where it is to be located is not the problem (that's dictated by the space available)... rather as you pointed out, how I decided to integrate it into the rest of the layout is, and it is this that I have been learning a great deal about recently along with ALL the thoughts, comments and links provided in this thread.
In relation to what I want and the other industries present on my RR, I'm leaning towards two slips, one for a small cargo freighter, and the other for a tug with a barge. The cargo freighter will handle break bulk and limited containers brought in/out by the RR and trucks while the barge will bring in coal and ship out refuse.
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