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Hi Guy's,
Guy's i'm trying to get a picture of what kinds of industrys & structures you would find on the Burlington Northern route. Living in the uk i have recently made the switch to model north american after british modeling became stale. I have quite a a fair selection of models in various road colors but the one's i really like are Burlington Northern & Missouri pacific colors. The problem i am facing is i have very little knowledge of what kind of structures & industry i can incorporate into a layout. Did the Burlington Northern & Missouri Pacific ever cross paths & what kind of industrys would i find? I really like the grain elevators but i have no idea if these would be in the area both these roads would have run & also what other industrys would i have found around the grain elevators? As a newbie to model north american prototypes i am still trying to find out more & i have no idea where to start so any help would be very greatly recived.
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It is not very complicated to get a first start that can be used to refine the information later
1. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and search for both RR. You will get maps with their tracks and can see what states have been touched and if and where they met.
2. Go to http://railpictures.net/ and search for pictures of the RR limited by the time and state you prefer.
Look at the background of the photos and you will get a good impression how it looks where the RR did run (or is still running). I am sure you will see lots of elevators.
With that basis information you can shift state and time to match your taste best.
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Short answer: everything.
Burlington Northern existed for 25 years and stretched from Florida to Washington so they got their hands on a little bit of everything. BN encountered the Missouri Pacific in a number of locations south of Denver. If you have a specific location in mind it would be much easier to discuss this.
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Keep in mind the Missouri Pacific was absorbed into the Union Pacific around 1980-1982. And also keep in mind the BN was created by merger around 1970. That pretty much limits your era to the 1970s. As for locales where they crossed - maybe in Missouri, Oklahoma, or Nebraska. As mentioned, look for route maps online. Grain elevators would be a likely industry in any of the three states I just mentioned.
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You have found the right place to settle in and join the family! No matter what era you want to model, no matter where it is in this big country, there will be someone here who will be able (and willing) to help you find the answer to your questions. And welcome to the world of North American Railroading! There is much to model, many varied locales, geographies, industries and pieces of equipment.
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railohio Wrote:Short answer: everything.
Burlington Northern existed for 25 years and stretched from Florida to Washington
Florida to Washington???
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That's right. And into Canada, too.
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The BN and MP touched at Kansas City, Oklahoma, St Louis, Missouri, Arkansas, Memphis, Ft Worth, Houston. The MP 6000 series SD40-2's were built to BN specs for pool power in unit coal trains to the Powder River Basin.
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I decided to see if I could find some photos of BN operations around large industries.
Here is one at a soy bean crushing operation in Iowa: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.debruce.com/products_businesses/bean_crushing/">http://www.debruce.com/products_busines ... _crushing/</a><!-- m -->
Container train. BN worked a large container yard at Midway between Minneapolis and St. Paul
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Grain elevator country? You bet! <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/one42chrisp/3055339914/in/photostream/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/one42chris ... otostream/</a><!-- m -->
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I was hoping to find more on Google images but didn't have much luck. Still, as noted above it seems that virtually any North America industry is plausible, Agriculture. steel mills, oil refineries. chemical plants, factories of all kinds....
Hope the pictures help!
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Does anyone know if the Burlington Northern had anything like Conrail ZTS charts?
In 1987, Conrail came up with these nifty maps of every single last mile on the system they ran on. Every siding, every industry, how many cars per siding, where the cars were spotted, and even the type of loading facility.
I'm told conrail was the first to really come up with something like that, but it would be PERFECT for what you want to do.
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Green_Elite_Cab Wrote:Does anyone know if the Burlington Northern had anything like Conrail ZTS charts?
In 1987, Conrail came up with these nifty maps of every single last mile on the system they ran on. Every siding, every industry, how many cars per siding, where the cars were spotted, and even the type of loading facility.
I'm told conrail was the first to really come up with something like that, but it would be PERFECT for what you want to do.
They used the SPINS maps that were also used by the Southern Pacific
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Justinmiller171 Wrote:Green_Elite_Cab Wrote:Does anyone know if the Burlington Northern had anything like Conrail ZTS charts?
In 1987, Conrail came up with these nifty maps of every single last mile on the system they ran on. Every siding, every industry, how many cars per siding, where the cars were spotted, and even the type of loading facility.
I'm told conrail was the first to really come up with something like that, but it would be PERFECT for what you want to do.
They used the SPINS maps that were also used by the Southern Pacific
No, Conrail did not use SPINS diagrams. Conrail (and several other railroads) used ZTS (Zone Track Spot) diagrams, which were similar to the SPINS (Southern Pacific Industrial Numbering System) diagrams used by the Southern Pacific, the CLIC (Car Location Identity Code) diagrams used by the Santa Fe, the TIP (Track Identification Program) diagrams used by the Western Pacific, and the SLIC (Shipper Location Identity Code) diagrams used by the Kansas City Southern.
More about such codes e.g. here: http://home.earthlink.net/~mrsvc/sitebui...ldj_26.pdf
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steinjr Wrote:No, Conrail did not use SPINS diagrams. Conrail (and several other railroads) used ZTS (Zone Track Spot) diagrams, which were similar to the SPINS (Southern Pacific Industrial Numbering System) diagrams used by the Southern Pacific, the CLIC (Car Location Identity Code) diagrams used by the Santa Fe, the TIP (Track Identification Program) diagrams used by the Western Pacific, and the SLIC (Shipper Location Identity Code) diagrams used by the Kansas City Southern.
More about such codes e.g. here: http://home.earthlink.net/~mrsvc/sitebui...ldj_26.pdf
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Stein
I meant that Burlington Northern used SPINS
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Justinmiller171 Wrote:I meant that Burlington Northern used SPINS
Aha. I obviously misunderstood you.
Btw, for whatever it may be worth, a quick google located a source of some such track diagrams - no idea whether they are any good or not:
http://www.railfandepot.com/servlet/the-...Categories - one of the books they offer apparently has 165 BN yard diagrams: http://www.railfandepot.com/servlet/the-...ard/Detail
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I love that website SteinJr
a 700 page Early Amtrak car diagram book? I can't go wrong with that! I was just complaining about how i can't figure out what the differences were between half these cars. It will be amazing if they have HEP car diagrams (or at least some way to identify what kinds of coaches were rebuilt to provide HEP for the likes of GG1s, FL9s and E60CPs)
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