Hedley Junction
#16
New fascia on the layout, another step toward completion! :dumb1: :dumb1:

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Matt
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#17
I really admire the rolling stock drawers under the layout! Wish I'd thought to do that during contruction! :tada:
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#18
Ralph Wrote:I really admire the rolling stock drawers under the layout! Wish I'd thought to do that during contruction! :tada:
Ralph

Ralph, this one isn't complete, habitually, we insert wood wedges padded with foam so all car are tilted and easily visible and accessible. We got the idea from another modeller in Sherbrooke. Really useful when you need to get rid of cars at a fictive interchange point.

Matt
Proudly modelling Quebec Railway Light & Power Company since 1997.

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#19
Some update about the layout. Fascia and backdrop are all painted and completed. Though no pictures yet.

I've been thinking about doing a HO scale version of QRL&PCo main terminal on St. Paul Street. Surprisingly, it was small and compact and can be done without any selective compression. It's about 9 feet long by 3 feet wide maximum.

All turnouts are PECO, turntable is about 8 inches (used mainly to turn interurban electric cars). Street running is also included (according to a picture, it once connected with the streetcar line...

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The freight shed and team track can hold about 18 x 36ft cars which is quite interesting for operation. Interchange is also possible, now is to see if club members are interested and how to integrate, finally, a real terminal to our layout.

Matt
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Erie 149th Street Harlem Station http://www.harlem-station.blogspot.com/
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#20
That looks very compact and busy.
Reinhard
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#21
faraway Wrote:That looks very compact and busy.

Yes, very busy. Most passenger trains were interurban trolleys pulling a combine.

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As seen in early 1900 with less trackage:

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But still not as compact and busy as some NYC harbor railways!

Matt
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#22
Matt,

Looks like a very neat compact area to model

Are you going to model the stub switchs as in the photo??

Keep us posted!!
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#23
sailormatlac Wrote:I've been thinking about doing a HO scale version of QRL&PCo main terminal on St. Paul Street. Surprisingly, it was small and compact and can be done without any selective compression. It's about 9 feet long by 3 feet wide maximum.

All turnouts are PECO, turntable is about 8 inches (used mainly to turn interurban electric cars). Street running is also included (according to a picture, it once connected with the streetcar line...

[Image: GareSaint-Paul.jpg]

The freight shed and team track can hold about 18 x 36ft cars which is quite interesting for operation.

<Droool> :-)

What a lovely little Layout Design Element !

Smile,
Stein
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#24
mountaingoatgreg Wrote:Matt,

Looks like a very neat compact area to model

Are you going to model the stub switchs as in the photo??

Keep us posted!!

Greg, stub switches would be a real eye catcher! But I have my own limit! ;-) Though, hand laying a stub switch is probably easier! On some part of the line, they survived well into the late 60s according to some pictures. There was a nice 3-way stub switch leading to Ste. Anne's car shop.

Stein: Thanks! The fun thing about this small station is that it could be built as a modular layour to be connected with other module. In all honesty, it was just a fun distraction. But in that small place, I feel like the flavor of good old Quebec Harbor is concentrated. I know there's some guys doing modular layouts in my area, that could be a nice idea.

At this point, connecting it to the existing club layout would be almost impossible. But knowing my friends over there, I know the layout could change as fast as Faraway modify is shelf layout!!! :lol: Model railroading is a never ending process isn't it? The more information, pictures and testimonies I hear from my prototype makes me want to return to the original idea of the layout: a busy harbor.

Matt
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#25
Matt: a couple of notes from the early July discussion.
Most of the stations I remember (CPR, eastern Ontario) had wooden platforms. These were just a bit above rail level. The conductor had a step (6"?) that filled the gap between the platform and the bottom step of the coach. The platform height was also set so that baggage carts came up to floor height on the baggage/postal cars. I don't remember any milk traffic -- maybe I wasn't up early enough. Wink

At Perth, the station was at the east end of the platform. There was a double track main line and a second platform on the other side with a basic shelter. Just beyond the end of the platform was a water tower with a spout. (Enclosed with a STONE lower half.) Opposite the tower was a section shed (speeders + office). At the west end of the west platform was a standpipe. Trains needing water were stopped in the right position -- I think there was a few feet of leeway.

Milk cans: would they have to come back in the milk car? If the dairy washed them, they might be transportable in any box car.
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#26
@David: Thanks for the comments. Everything's gonna be simplier that originally envisionned.

The actual "Hedley Junction" layout (eastern part).

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What I'm looking for:

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UPDATE: Something was bugging me about the actual Hedley Yard. Thinking how to implement St. Paul Station to the actual layout, I finally came up with a "workable plan". Most structures stay were they are. In fact, I merged a few ideas I explored with my aborted 2012 resolution layout. :tada:

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The main difference is that Hedley Junction with QRL&PCo is now located at right and Canardière Road at left. For old people in Quebec City, Canardière Road underpass was like a gate to the "real" downtown back then. It's also front this point that you can easier follow the tracks.

The highway will be located like the real thing and the engine terminal nested like the prototype (probably just a tiny servicing area just like Sven did on his Salinas layout). Finally, the namesake junction will be modelled as an interchange.

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Over operation sessions, I felt like the middle section of the "U" was boring and useless. It was originally designed to be a scene separator, but it just didn't work. We always wanted the harbor feeling and I thought placing St. Charles River there, just as the prototype, was a nice idea. I used various Walthers and Micro Engineering bridges to represent the real bridge. St. Paul Station, Palace Station CPR interchange and Bassin Louise warehouses, coal piles and cement bagging plant were located over there, so a lot of possibilities for reworking this area. It will also be a good occasion to place few olf French style stone houses to get the area feeling.

Lots of work? Indeed... Any comments? I'm aware the engine terminal may use only 2 tracks and probably the storage track nearby the team track is too much.

I read from many sources that caboose track weren't bound to be located near the yard office. I'm unsure about were I put it... Any thoughts?

Other question: Should I connect QRL&PCo mainline directly to the real mainline with a diamond? Old maps are unclear, but I know for sure QRL&PCo mainline was at left on the bridge, CNR line to the harbor was left... Maybe it's going to be complex for nothing. I only expect the interchange to work with the yard as a way to route some cars out of the layout.

Matt
Proudly modelling Quebec Railway Light & Power Company since 1997.

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#27
I quickly sketched up something on the other side of the river (the layout is presented upside down to make it easier to visualize). Everything I wanted can find a place without trouble... at least, on plan!!! I won't have to alter to much the real track plan of St. Paul Street Station, which is a good thing. It is accessible from both side, which makes more sense to me.

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Most feature found on St. André Wharf are kept: Canadian Arsenal Plant (desserved by a dummy CPR interchange), Novia Scotia coal loading facility, CNR multitrack freight shed, the feed mill, Canada Cement Plant and maybe some other buildings on the left to hide the balloon track (the Quebec Liquor Commission had a multi-storey warehouse wedge-shaped at the same place (the real track was actually curving like the balloon track would)).

Most trackage around the feedmill and cement plant is complete bull. Building proportions and wharf are right. I think I should keep the returning loop for the sake of convinience. Also, it can easily be disguised as industrial trackage. It could be useful to switch the feed mill and Canada Cement. I'll study the prototypes better to understand how they worked. At least, I feel like I should switch both industries from the left. I'll will minimize operation in the larger part of St. Paul Street Station Peninsula. Anyway, I'll have to see if CNR Freight shed is accessible enough...

I'm a little bit at lost for the feed mill and Canada Cement Plant because they were served behind the buildings. The "street running" track wasn't used for switching purpose back then... I'll have to fiddle a little bit there. There was a conveyor behind the cement bins and I thought about useing the background track for bulk cement loading (using slab hoppers). Since it's bulk, it doesn't need to spot each car. The bagging plant, at left, could be rail served with boxcars.

Maybe having St. André street running parallell to the layout would simplify a lot of trackage...

Some pic from the 1950s with the street running track on Saint André Wharf. This photographer has a lot of old pictures of the area, but he's quite hard to contact... He habitually used old pictures to create vintage postcards. He edited a few railway related postcards, but nothing very useful to me. The feedmill is behind and at left, in the background, you can see a cement bin and a conveyor. Note the eyes on the locomotive window!!!! The crew had a good sense of humour, the paint scheme just looks like a smiling face. This photographer has a lot of old pictures of the area, but he's quite hard to contact...

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I'll go sleep and think over it tomorrow.

***EDIT*** The good thing is that St. Paul Street Station can be modelled after and separately, which is a good point to me. It could be built at home and added later. Also, the main layout can be operated without the station.

Matt
Proudly modelling Quebec Railway Light & Power Company since 1997.

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Erie 149th Street Harlem Station http://www.harlem-station.blogspot.com/
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#28
I finalized the layout plan this morning. I'm satisfied how St. Paul Street Station can be now be modelled as a module. I kept the returning loop and used structures to hide it.The Liquor Commission building nicely ends the layout and hides the track end into the building itself (open platform like the well-known Walthers structure).

I added a crossover to the mainline on the other side of the river. Trains using the returning loop and switching industries won't have to use the yard lead located on the bridge (the prototype use also the bridge has a yard lead nowaday).

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Now it's time to convince the club members to move forward!! :lolol:

Matt
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#29
Updated the new track plan.

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Matt
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#30
Good news! The new track layout and general concept received approbation of all club members. Hope to start modifying the existing layout later this week. I think we were all thrilled to go back to the original harbour concept. This time, I hope we will finally do some real scenery work.

BTW, we removed the highway overpass that was to modern. The mock up on the layout wasn't very convincing from a visual and operating stand point.

Matt
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