doctorwayne Wrote:C'mon, all sorts of food is disgusting, especially if you know too much about it. Besides that, sludge isn't that far removed from fudge, at least in one sense. Wayne

Not far removed......but then, who am I to judge.

doctorwayne Wrote:

MountainMan Wrote:"Sludge" as "food grade flux"? No thank you. That's disgusting.

C'mon, all sorts of food is disgusting, especially if you know too much about it. Besides that, sludge isn't that far removed from fudge, at least in one sense.

When it comes to eating "sludge"...you first...

MountainMan Wrote:BTW, judging by the "toe" ad, GERN makes womens clothes fall of 3% faster, too.

I dunno, there could be an unscrupulous marketing angle here, but how many people soak their feet, grateful or not, while wearing their street clothes?

I didn't hear much in the way of protestations when I first sent you that ad, MM: what's changed? I sense a general dissatisfaction, on your part, with GERN.

Merely an observation. You, OTH, seem to fixated on labeling me as "dissatisfied". For the time period indicated in that ad, it's very racy and provocative. I expect to see ads for KY-GERN any minute. 8-)

Like all other GERN modellers. you're free to add to the product line. I would think that with the fantasy theme of your Pandorum layout, you'd be not only a staunch supporter of such a fantastic product, but also one who'd be coming up with innovative new product lines.

Wayne

I have come up with "new product lines" that have evolved beyond GERN, which is actually an old product line. That's why I asked why no one was doing research on "improved" GERN.

I'm not a GERN modeler at present because it doesn't fit into the parameters I'm working with. After all, when I combine Emmett Brown and Nikola Tesla, it doesn't spell "GERN". I do, however, have two whale oil tankers on my roster...now what do you suppose that's all about? 8-)

MountainMan Wrote:I have come up with "new product lines" that have evolved beyond GERN, which is actually an old product line. That's why I asked why no one was doing research on "improved" GERN.

I'm not a GERN modeler at present because it doesn't fit into the parameters I'm working with. After all, when I combine Emmett Brown and Nikola Tesla, it doesn't spell "GERN". I do, however, have two whale oil tankers on my roster...now what do you suppose that's all about? 8-)

Don't know. How about you show us what you've come up with in a new product thread? Who knows? It might take off like the wildly creative GERN threads.
Ralph

MountainMan Wrote:BTW, judging by the "toe" ad, GERN makes womens clothes fall of 3% faster, too.

doctorwayne Wrote:I dunno, there could be an unscrupulous marketing angle here, but how many people soak their feet, grateful or not, while wearing their street clothes?

I didn't hear much in the way of protestations when I first sent you that ad, MM: what's changed? I sense a general dissatisfaction, on your part, with GERN.

MountainMan Wrote:Merely an observation. You, OTH, seem to fixated on labeling me as "dissatisfied". For the time period indicated in that ad, it's very racy and provocative. I expect to see ads for KY-GERN any minute. 8-)

Actually, it wasn't "labelling" you as dissatisfied - I am concerned that you're dissatisfied, which is certainly not the effect I would want GERN to elicit.
At its most basic, GERN is a traffic generator that each modeller can make as plausible or as fabulous as they wish. If it inspires ideas, so much the better. If you don't need the inspiration, ignore that aspect of it. You've demonstrated your own creative bent, and I look forward to seeing the manifestations of it as your layout develops, but I have no interest in competing with someone else's fantasy world - GERN is offered only as a source, I hope, of enjoyment.

As for the perceived "raciness" of the ad, it's readily available "clip art" from that time period. The fact that "sex sells" is not a new concept, and I'll pass on making judgement on the propriety of it.

MountainMan Wrote:I'm not a GERN modeler at present because it doesn't fit into the parameters I'm working with. After all, when I combine Emmett Brown and Nikola Tesla, it doesn't spell "GERN". I do, however, have two whale oil tankers on my roster...now what do you suppose that's all about? [/b] 8-)

I was wrong in assuming you to be a GERN modeller, and you're not the only one to whom I forward those ads who isn't actively modelling GERN. It's certainly not a requirement, but you can let me know if you no longer wish to receive GERN promotional material.
As for the whale oil tankers (I accidentally initially typed that as wahl oil ), I decline to make any suppositions other than to ask if processing involves transposing the "h" and dropping the "e"?

Wayne

MountainMan Wrote:I do, however, have two whale oil tankers on my roster...now what do you suppose that's all about?

Hey ! we're supposed to keep that quiet.
The controversy would put my whale ships out of business !!

" MountainMan wrote: I expect to see ads for KY-GERN any minute."

Whoa, I wouldn't touch that with a ten................ , never mind, my bad. ( bad, bad mind, go to your room. ) :oops:

by Dr. Wayne:

My, my - aren't we touchy? Now I understand why the old forum broke up. Some people react adversely to being accused of something merely for raising issues or asking simple question. That sort of thing comes across as marked paranoia on the part of the accusers.

I actually haven't received anything from you in quite a while, GERN or otherwise. It appears, however, that daring to ask questions about the entire GERN business ist streng verboten; obviously, the entire GERN thing is set in concrete and not amenable to either flexibility or rational discussion. Since we therefore have nothing to talk about relative to GERN, I won't seek any further information.

What is the whale oil - not "wahl oil" - for? It could be for a number of things, some ordinary, some nefarious. During WWII the Nazis took over the entire whale oil stockpile and the whale oil industry from the Norwegians, for example, in order to extract the glycerin as a basic ingredient in explosives. OTH, it can be also utilized as a base in women's perfumes, or simply used as ordinary lamp oil. Given the mindset and propensities of Both Emmett Brown and Nikola Tesla, I doubt any of those mundane possibilities are foremost in their minds; in my most recent conversation with Dr. Brown we spoke at length about trinary reactive compounds and specific forms of energy release which might be used alternatively in certain industrial processes. Perhaps GERN has at some time considered doing something similar, but it doesn't matter since the Tesla-Brown formulas and processes have been finalized and are covered by myriad patents held by The Tesla-Brown Consortium itself.

The layout construction has begun. in the meantime, I guess you will just have to wait and see. I can't discuss it any further here - this is a "GERN" thread.

As per your request from the old Forum, I will reply to your concerns in public rather than via PM. If you feel that I am in any way abusing my position as a Moderator, please feel free to contact an Administrator and ask to have me removed.

MountainMan Wrote:by Dr. Wayne:

My, my - aren't we touchy? Now I understand why the old forum broke up. Some people react adversely to being accused of something merely for raising issues or asking simple question. That sort of thing comes across as marked paranoia on the part of the accusers.



I actually haven't received anything from you in quite a while, GERN or otherwise. It appears, however, that daring to ask questions about the entire GERN business ist streng verboten; obviously, the entire GERN thing is set in concrete and not amenable to either flexibility or rational discussion. Since we therefore have nothing to talk about relative to GERN, I won't seek any further information.

Sorry Jeff, but you'll need to point out where you feel I'm being touchy. I've always welcomed comments and questions regarding GERN, and everyone who gets the GERN promotional material is invited to do so, you included. I'm not sure when the last "new" GERN material was sent, but I make a point of sending it to everyone on the list. My brother is responsible for almost all of it, and makes it at his convenience. If you wish, I'll be happy to re-send all of the GERN material to ensure that you have it available, but please let me know whether or not you want it. You don't seem to be too amused by it, nor do you seem interested in GERN as a traffic generator, which is certainly your choice, but I am rather disappointed that you find it necessary to denigrate the concept as if it's somehow in conflict with your own fantasy concepts.
As for receiving "other stuff" from me, I treat e-mails between you and me as private - I discuss them with no one, and I will not post copies of that correspondence here, but you know as well as I that cordial messages have been exchanged.

There are several reasons why the old Forum went down the tubes - I wasn't aware that I'd personally caused that, but it may explain why I was the one who suggested that you be invited to participate here. You can ask any Moderator or Administrator if you doubt that.
As for people being paranoid, it appears neither you nor I can call that one. Suffice it to say, if you believe that someone's "out to get you", then they most definitely are.

As for GERN being "set in concrete" you have a very selective memory which somehow omitted that I invite everyone, you included, who receives the GERN material to feel free to come up with their own GERN products, advertising, factory designs, etc., etc.

MountainMan Wrote:What is the whale oil - not "wahl oil" - for?

I wasn't being obtuse, but perhaps my sense of humour isn't to your tastes. You should re-read what I wrote before becoming offended, as I'm usually quite obvious when I wish to offend.

MountainMan Wrote:It could be for a number of things, some ordinary, some nefarious. During WWII the Nazis took over the entire whale oil stockpile and the whale oil industry from the Norwegians, for example, in order to extract the glycerin as a basic ingredient in explosives. OTH, it can be also utilized as a base in women's perfumes, or simply used as ordinary lamp oil. Given the mindset and propensities of Both Emmett Brown and Nikola Tesla, I doubt any of those mundane possibilities are foremost in their minds; in my most recent conversation with Dr. Brown we spoke at length about trinary reactive compounds and specific forms of energy release which might be used alternatively in certain industrial processes. Perhaps GERN has at some time considered doing something similar, but it doesn't matter since the Tesla-Brown formulas and processes have been finalized and are covered by myriad patents held by The Tesla-Brown Consortium itself.

The layout construction has begun. in the meantime, I guess you will just have to wait and see. I can't discuss it any further here - this is a "GERN" thread.

You're right: this is a GERN thread, but I welcome your input on both the topic and your alternatives. This isn't however, my thread. (I find it somewhat strange that your free-thinking mind sees GERN as a threat to your Tesla-Brown Consortium - they're both somewhat silly ideas, but you seem to find little joy in either. Very sad.)

Oh, and whale oil, as far as I'm aware, has little to do with women's perfume. The material used is ambergris, a product of the whale's digestive system.

Wayne

You are correct about the ambergris, but it was a by-product of the whaling industry, since it required dead whales to extract it from.

I was merely attempting to point out the diversity of the industry, difficult to do when confronted with concrete thinkers.

Now, shouldn't you be talking about GERN?

I detect a not-very-latent undercurrent of hostility ...

I'm way ahead of you. I'm on my way back to the old forum.

MountainMan Wrote:I'm way ahead of you. I'm on my way back to the old forum.

You're always welcome here, but if you don't wish to participate, perhaps I'll see you over there.

Wayne

MountainMan Wrote:You are correct about the ambergris, but it was a by-product of the whaling industry, since it required dead whales to extract it from.

Not really. Ambergris can also be also found floating in the water, and washed up on beaches. The stuff being used now in North America has to come from other sources than dead whales.

So dead whales is not a requirement. But of course it would probably have been quite a bit easier to spot whales than to find floating or washed up clumps of ambergris.

Anyways - back to the GERN thread. I like the cool sounding commodity names. I mean - Anhydrous flux, Fluxene peroxide, Liquiflux - it has a definite industrial sound to it :-)

Grin,
Stein

Interesting Stein! I'm not sure about the methods of collecting ambergris, but no doubt there could be a variety of GERN flux to enhance it some how.

Now that I have loading capability at my GERN site and have seen the variety of GERN rolling stock already created by members here, I know that flux can take liquid, semil-liquid, and possibly powdered or particle form for tankers and covered hoppers. I imagine in some cases it might even be compressed into dry cubes easily stacked on pallets for box car loading!

I'm curious about materials going IN to a GERN plant. As I recall, flux ore is mined in Lake Erie. I don't know if I've seen a representation of the ore on the forum yet but I suspect it could be carried in open or covered hoppers (?) I also imagine that the varied other additives needed to create the widely diverse range of GERN products might require all sorts of rolling stock.

Not having a chemistry background I'm wondering what sorts of inbound materials might be useful in the production of GERN Cement Flux (which of course cures and hardens cement 3% harder and faster. I have outgoing traffic at GERN but not incoming....

Ralph

Ralph, mines are located all over the world, but if you don't have one on the property, you can bring raw, semi-finished or fully processed raw materials from any of the other plants. Any car type can be used - preferably a type that you might not otherwise be able to use, but it could just as easily be a favourite type (or roadname).

Commonly used cars are covered hoppers (mostly granular or powdered material), boxcars (same as the covered hoppers in-bulk, but also in bags and/or barrels). Liquid or gaseous products usually move in-bulk in tankcars, but smaller quantities can be shipped in boxcars utilsing steel drums. Some grades ship in open hoppers or gondolas, too (it looks similar to ballast, and the size and colour may vary) While the ore is usually of very low density, the use of actual ore cars could be justified by shipping so-called Heavy Flux - as the name implies, it's pretty heavy.

I see no reason why flux couldn't be shipped as briquettes, either, or even as ingots. Heck, even as rolled sheet - coil cars could be full of it!

Wayne

doctorwayne Wrote:I see no reason why flux couldn't be shipped as briquettes, either, or even as ingots. Heck, even as rolled sheet - coil cars could be full of it!
Wayne

A coil of FlexyFluxyFoil?




I'll go wash my mouth out with soap.