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torikoos Wrote:Not to worry Jonte, do what YOU like best, the layout is for your entertainment in the first place, not that of others. Do keep us posted on what you build and how you're doing it. Looking forward what you're going to come up with :-)

Koos


Thanks for understanding, Koos. I've not given up enrirely on railroading, just 'fine tuning' it!!

Almost finished the backscene that was causing so much trouble, so as soon as I've got the photos I'll post them for your perusal. Incidentally, have decided to set my new 'diorama' in deepest Hampshire in the vein of the Meon Valley/ Mid Hants/Castleman's Corkscrew sometime towards the end of steam in the BR era. It'll be to 4mm scale (OO Gauge) and will feature a quiet country station with passing loop on a single track branchline. Although general traffic will consist mainly of short branch trains, it will feature the occasional mainline engine due to maintenance on the mainline, hence it'll give me an excuse to run some mainline steam engines such as 'the Battle of Britain' class locos. That's the plan anyway!

I'll keep you posted.

Meanwhile, I'll keep popping in to see how everyone's projects are coming along, just to keep my appetite whetted. Now where's that Alco....?

Jonte
The first rule of model railroading is to have fun. A corollary to that rule is to model what you enjoy. Sorry to see the Downtown L.A. theme disappear, but I look forward to seeing the English countryside that you create.
Russ Bellinis Wrote:The first rule of model railroading is to have fun. A corollary to that rule is to model what you enjoy. Sorry to see the Downtown L.A. theme disappear, but I look forward to seeing the English countryside that you create.

Thanks, Russ. Currently stalled - back to that old problem of choice of track work Curse

I'll keep you posted.

Best wishes,

Jonte
Hi, Ol' Friends, and a belated Merry Christmas.

As you can see by the date of my last post, it's been a good couple of years since I last posted, and some of you may well be wondering what on earth I've been up to since then (or perhaps not Icon_lol ).

Well, apart from completing a couple of kit bashed card buildings and soldering up umpteen lengths of nickel silver rail of various codes into something vaguely resembling an early Victorian trussed station roof - freelance and not quite finished - not much really. Still going round in ever decreasing circles modelling-wise, although I've finally decided what I'm going to plump for in British railroading; but I quite rightly shaln't bore you Model Railroaders with all that stuff. That can wait till another day and for a more appropriate thread - if at all. Anyway, needless to say, I've yet to build a working model railway of any sort, so in modelling terms I've come a long way and still got nowhere!!!!!!

So why have I dared to turn up out of the blue so to speak and post this rambling rubbish, you may ask?

Well, the experience of my short venture into the Dark Side never completely left me, and I've still been an occasional 'lurker' to Big Blue to see what Kurt, Reinhard, 'Koos and Y'all have been getting up to, although I have to admit, these have been rather infrequent visits. And of course, those old photos of 'The Patch' and railroads in Downtown LA were always such a draw, it was inevitable I suppose that one day I would return. So why now?

Well, it all started a couple of months or so after we had all five ground floor doors replaced to match those upstairs which had been changed during an intensive period of decorating Nope and I was left with a decision as to what to do with them. Online auctions weren't considered as I'm just too idle to bother posting them up for sale, although I seriously considered using them as a board for that British themed layout I mentioned earlier, however, as I've still yet to confirm what type of track to use (yes, that ol' chesnut) which will determine the final dimensions, I reckoned it was still too early in the day for all that, so I thought I'd just ring the council to come and collect them - they're MDF so too big and cumbersome to fit into my small estate car for that trip to the tip (dump?).

Determined to put them to some use (I hate dumping any sort of lumber as to me, old lumber = model trains) the idea of a 'table-top' railway came to mind - like those we all built as kids or perhaps received as 'Chrimbo presssies of old' in the form of an oval of track with perhaps the odd siding or two, and some good old Superquick buildings randomly placed to represent a model town or village, which our 'six by four' could faithfully serve.

The more I thought about it, the more plausible it seemed: something relatively quick and cheap to build, offering some light operating ptential with the added bonus of just occasionally enjoying the trains going round 'n' round.......... A small oval would also be highly suitable for my (currently) one USA loco and several wagons/cars I bought from a fellow member on a UK model railway site a couple of years back.

Initially, I thought of trying to use up as many of the doors as possible - which would also offer more real estate and make my task a whole lot easier - however as mentioned, these old MDF doors were potential back breakers, and the realistation soon dawned that only one would be feasible as a base. But how on earth could I shoehorn anything remotely prototypical into a space measuring only 76" x 30"? The challenge proved irresistible and I was determined to make it fit. It was at this point I remembered a few bits of Peco Setrack languishing long forgotten in my loft which had formed the basis of one such table top railway many years hence when my adult son was just a nipper. Sadly, his interest in model railroading never developed so why these bit 'n' pieces managed to accompany us during our house move fifteen years ago, I'm at a loss to explain. Perhaps somewhere deep down within, the thought of abandoning anything vaguely connected to model railroading, is just too hard to contemplate. Perhaps, fellow modellers, you can explain this better than I.

After risking life 'n' limb clambering in and out of the loft, I discovered to my delight that everything still fitted together and discovering that the curves were of 15" radius, well, I near wet my pants. With the prospect of fitting it all into my 'pint pot', my armchair notions were seemingly not as daft after all 2285_

But what about the track for the small scenic bit - the bit which would be in view and contain the switches? I suppose I could have gone out and bought some new stuff from Hattons (I'm a Liverpudlian and therefore benefit from having this internationally renowned model shop literally on my doorstep - no connection with said proprietor, just a satisfied customer of many years standing) as nowadays they even stock the new Peco Code 83 variety, but somehow, this cheapo make 'n' mend approach of using up what I already had seemed appropriate, so thoughts turned to several Peco Code 75 offerings mentioned earlier in this thread. Problem was, I'd hacked at them (the diverging rails of each) to make the roads closer together at crossovers which didn't work as I'd expected, so I'd have to repair them be fore using them. Still, as only 3 switches were required, this didn't prove too daunting a task. However, after reconstructing them on purpose built plywood bases and wiring them up for 'live frogs' via a SPDT switch, tests were disappointing. Why? Well, scrutiny showed that my lone Bachmann loco was striking the crossing nose (frog) and as I simply cannot stand for bumpy rides through pointwork, it was obvious that they weren't fit for purpose. Damn!!!! I was semingly back on the old tread mill of 'choice of track'!

Downheartened, I decided to return to the arm chair and undertook a little research. To my surprise, I discovered that others had encountered similar problems with HO gauge locos on Peco Code 75 track which made me feel a little better. Additionally, I discovered an article which demonstrated that, good as it appeared, the guard rails of the purpose designed Peco Code 83 track were dimensionally incorrect! Oh how releived I felt at not having gone out on a whim and purchased new as I'd considered. These things ain't cheap as you well know folks, still, I don't mind forking out, provided running isn't hindered. Now, at this point, I should say that I am aware that many railroaders enjoy excellent running with this range of track and consider it a worthy item: it's just that, knowing my luck, I'd be the one that would fall foul of it!!!

Anyway, at the risk of meandering, I remembered those home made switches which were shown earlier in this thread which for some unearthly reason I had cast aside in dissatisfaction. Surely it was worth a couple of days revisiting them and testing them for old times sake? After all, apart from the time involved - and I was eager to press ahead - there was nothing to lose. And if all else failed, I'd just pop down to the model shop and purchase some good ol' Code 100s which after all these years still provided sterling service and are still used to good effect by a number of excellent UK model railroaders on their exhibition layouts to this day. Thankfully, this didn't prove necessary: all three worked perfectly although many short traversings over each were made just to make sure - I think I need to see a doctor :?
I can’t recall why I had consigned them to languish beneath the tons of other detritus in my modelling den: after all, they were built according to dimensions gleaned from the excellent NMRA site via a digital calliper, so I had no reason to doubt their performance. I just wish we could enjoy a similar set of standards over here in the UK.
Anyway, construction began in earnest with the level of the track above door surface being determined by the set of drawer runners to be used as useful traverse – one of a couple left over from when we had the kitchen fitted a few years ago – the 4mm plywood track base (more leftovers) being supported by umpteen blocks of planed two by one offcuts themselves left over from construction of the station roof referred to earlier in my post.

I think rather than waffle on as I’m doing now, I’ll take a break from the keyboard for a bit – which will no doubt be a relief for you all – and pop back later with a few piccies for you to peruse as I’ve been keeping a photographic record of my progress to date.

If any of you are still with me at this point, may I thank you for your forebearance and hope that you may find my little sojourn of interest. I hope and trust I can maintain it.

Finally, it’s good to be back!
Jonte.

P.S. I think I'll change the title of this thread accordingly. jonte.
Apologies for delay but problems with wi-fi (BT)

Anyway, for starters, here's one of the old doors selected for the job together with some 5" x 1" lumber for the sides. This was dated 23.11.13

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Here's the next stage showing how the handles have been upcycled to aid lifting and hinges with the loops removed to form handy brackets (later photos will show some hinges used as corner protextors as soft wood is vulnerable at the ends). The underneath has been painted using old emulsion paint to show up the wiring etc. and an offcut length of 2"x1" has been used as a brace aacross the edges and to also aid lifting/handling.

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jonte
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I'll attach some more progress shots later.

Had to download a free picture resizer to facilitate, which took most of time. Now I'm back into the swing of posting pictures, it's quite straight forward.

I'll try and attach a thumbnail plan at some stage.

Jonte
Here are a couple more after this nascent layout had been transferred (table 'n' all) to the 'den'. Traverser 'cheeks' added (cut like traverser bed from other old doors) and elevated curved track bed, with setrack curves placed on to gauge fitting of main trackbed.

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Please excuse the 'state' of my modelling den: at least I know where everything is!

Jonte
Before posting a couple more shots, I think I should point out that everything I have planned here has been influenced by those wonderfully atmospheric black & white shots taken by Mr. Greg Loskorn, and even though my creation will be somewhat microscopic, I shall try and make everything as protoypical as possible using his shots as a reference.

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I also adore the simplistic nature of these rather unusual (for LA) telegraph poles in this shot of Greg's <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=146523312038152&set=a.146523108704839.22038.133337953356688&type=3&permPage=1">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... permPage=1</a><!-- m --> and I just have to incorporate them somewhere. And as for these <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=146523272038156&set=a.146523108704839.22038.133337953356688&type=3&permPage=1">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... permPage=1</a><!-- m --> wow!! Pure heaven.

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The air of dereliction is simply overwhelming.

Jonte
Some first shots of what I have already referred to as the 'main' trackbed, again on a base of 4mm plywood. Also seen are the points I shall be using and my own versions of those 90* crossings so idiosynchratic of ' the Patch'.

Please ignore the half finished point second from left in the pictures: this is just for the purposes of marking out and gauging where everything will eventually go.

Also seen are lengths of wire in copper tubes which will serve as point activators, of which, more later.

The 'trenches' to accomodate have yet to be cut in these shots but have since been completed - photos to follow.

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The set square marks approximately where the backscene will go, so as you see, a narrow affair as well as a short one. I must be careful not too cram too much in and spoil the effect.

Jonte
Just a final post for this New Year's eve.

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Also visible are the cut outs for the copper tubes which will operate the points

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Additionally, a couple of (poor) close ups of the left hand point positioned at the exit to the canyon.

Although the prototype here was just rails buried under tarmac, this was unusual for the Patch which generally had a thinner guide rail running parallel to the stock rails (presumably to create a flangeway to stop debris building up adjacent to the rails). I have therefore attempted to represent this by adding these thinner guide rails to the parts of the point which will be in contact with the road surface. The guide rail is merely two lengths of code 40 nickel silver rail sweated on top of each other. Please don't scrutinise too much as the flangeways are far too wide, however, this is after all a rather coarse scale and I've no wish to hinder the bogies of either loco or cars.
Kurt did this far better than I did on his Plymouth Street layout which sadly is no more.

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Happy New Year All.

Jonte
Happy New Year Jonte, and glad to see you back at it.
I must say that is a very heavy duty construction using that door, but it's perfect recycling :-)

Looking forward to how this pans out , particularly once scenic elements start joining the rails :-)

Koos
Its good to see you back Jonte.

Always enjoy seeing people build their own turnouts and crossings. Keep up the good work.

rergards
Dave
Koos and Dave:

Thanks gentlemen for the warm welcome back and your kind expressions of interest. A Happy New Year to both of you.

In respect of scenic elements, Koos: I've a couple of ideas I'd like to share with you, especially regarding the ash ballast that seems to prevail in this area. I'm going to conduct a test soon on some scrap rail and a suitable base and post up the results for consideration. I've procrastinated long hard about this aspect of the build and I think I'll opt for a method employed by Chris Nevard on his Catcott Burtle layout <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/nevardmedia/collections/72157626123658415/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/nevardmedi ... 123658415/</a><!-- m -->

Essentially good old Das clay is stippled onto a previously prepared bed of ballast which is used as a key for the clay to adhere to bonded with white PVA glue. Suitably sized grains of ballast/sand/ash from a barbecue or log fire (take your pick although I've saved some ash from a barbecue or two during the summer which will require sieving) are then glued on at random locations adjacent to and below/between the rails, and the whole painted to suit with emulsion type tester pots from an out of town type hardware store. He makes it look easy, but I'm sure it's not which is why I'll keep an open mind and conduct some rigorous testing.

Thanks for your compliment, Dave, re my attempts at scratchbuliding my crossings and switches: more out of necessity really given the failuires of the proprietary stuff I had to hand. Made a start on the angled crossing today and have been taking some photos as I go along which I'll post up for anyone like yourself with an interest in such matters.

Incidentally, I forgot to mention the couple of Micro Engineering turnouts I bought from the States a couple of years ago. I was really disappointed with those, especially as they looked so nice with their code 70 rails. The problem involved the cast insert (frog) which although in line with the stock rails and crossings in both directions, unfortunately were proud of all of them. I checked to see if they'd been bedded in properly, but the problem appeared to be with the height of the rails of the cast section i.e. too high for the code 70 rails. The only solution I could see was to file down the whole section, but as I was loathed to interfere with the crossing nose in any way, shape or form without the correct tools to assist me, I considered it a recipe for disaster and decided to leave well alone.
I wonder if anybody else has encountered the same problems?

Jonte
Good to see you have started building. Cheers
Tyson Rayles Wrote:Good to see you have started building. Cheers


Cheers, Mike!

I'm really into the swing of things, I'm pleased to say.

It's only a small project, I know, but perhaps that's the secret to finishing things.

All the best,

Jonte
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