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Hi,

Just a line to let you know that it all works (all three switches and both insulated breaks of the scenic bit that is) so I can start to relax a little.

Next step is to lift the track and glue it down with PVA. The main track bed, as I've termed it, can than be glued to suitably located pillars of old 2" x 1" and ply pillars to match the curved sections. Then the wires soldered to the track can be threaded through the pre-drilled holes in the baseboard (door) and neatly fixed to the the feeds via chocolate block connectors.

Of, course, I mustn't forget to locate the wire-in-tubes below their respective turnouts before glueing them down (reminder to self!).

I must add that I'm mighty pleased with the slow running performance of my cheapo Bachmann. Although pleased with it's out-of-the-box performance, this has been further improved by running round a circle of set track for a couple of hours in each direction.

Regards for now,

Jonte.
Hi All,

Just a brief update on my progress so far:

The main board (scenic board) has been fixed in place and the track stuck in place with white PVA glue. I had considered using epoxy for this purpose, but thank goodness I didn't!

Having left the track to set overnight, weighted down with weights and anything else to hand, imagine my horror when I removed them the following day to discover that the left hand point was arched in the middle, probably due to the fact that I'd been so busy concentrating on getting the toe end to the right level to meet with the curved section PLUS - I have to confess - trying to do far too much at once before the glue went off. You see, what I should have done was remove the track after testing and reassemble it piece by piece. However, I became far too eager for my own good (plus I didn't fancy having to reroute the wiring again!!) and raised the track in one piece just sufficiently to get the nozzle of the glue bottle underneath. When one considers that I also had to attach the fine point operating wire to the underneath of the holes drilled in the tie bar as there was literally no chance of achieving this after the track was down, well, I was just looking for trouble - and on a a couple of occasions, the wire managed to fall back out involving me having to lift the track, reattach the wire and connect it to it's neighbour, all without pulling the wires out - frustratingly, a couple of wires broke off at the bent sections just after the soldered joint!!!! Nope

Thankfully, the glue hadn't totally set so the point in question was lifted and cleaned together with the baseboard surface. Concerned that it might have succumbed under the pressure of the weights as it had arched about the location of the breaks in the wing rails, I decided to remove it completely and take it to the desk for further examination. My concerns were well founded: the pressure had disturbed the flangeways on both sides of the crossing, although thankfully the crossing nose had remained true. A quick realignment with a soldering iron seemed to solve matters,however, further frustration awaited me when I returned it to the baseboard. The problem involved the wires which I'd soldered to the toe end of the point - all points have feeds at both ends soldered to the fishplates, which I'm aware is frowned upon, but I like the idea myself, only time will tell! Anyway, in my haste to remove it from the board, I'd snipped off the wires leaving just short lengths dangling from each fishplate, so now came the fiddly task of resoldering the severed ends (at this location especially, I'd surreptitiously hidden the wires via a tortuous route so it would have been a beggar of a job to try and reroute. Discretion being the better part of valour, I simply discarded the dangle bits of wire and proceeded to solder them to the outsides of their respective fishplates; not as tidy as before, but they'll have to do. I'm sure the ballast will help here!!! What I should have done, was attach a long offcut of wire to the ends of the feeds below the board, so that when returning it, all I needed to do was draw the feeds back thorugh using the wire to draw them through their holes. I'm sure the sparks and engineers among you will have thought this pretty obvious, but this is me folks, and learning the hard way as I go.

With the main section in place, I turned my attention to setting up the switch mechanisms I mentioned earlier in the thread. To remind you, simply Peco point motors - I'd bought several many years earlier that had never been used - operating some left over Mercontrol wire-in-tubes, via a Peco adaptor designed for above baseboard mounting. Only a couple of quid each from Hattons, they contain a spring that holds over the springless point motor - as you all know, Peco puts springs in the tie bars of its turnouts. Apart from the adaptor bases which were only a couple of quid each, all I needed was some more tubing to supplement them as the remainder of what I had were in too short lengths - I could have joined them I suppose, however, there was a risk of stray glue getting inside the joint and jamming things up. Discovering that the manufacturer GEM have replaced their copper tubes with plastic tubing, I decided to save on postage and popped along to my local RC model shop and bought a metre of the stuff for less than a pound. It's a bit too flexy befor fixing otherwise, it's fine. I remembered to put some 'lube' inside before using: furniture polish: good ol' 3-in-1, of course, in the copper stuff.

I've attached a couple of photos to show you how I set them up.

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A quick test shows that it works as it did a couple of weeks ago when I tested the system on the bench, so just the other two to set up.

Those familiar with the Peco point motor will know it gives quite a 'thwack' in its operation, and I'm a little concerned about the longevity of the soldered tie bar. However, I've noticed that spring in the wire (at each end) is quite generous so should act as a reliable damper.

Finally, with regard to that left hand turnout, I've noticed a slight joggle in the truck I use to test as it approaches the crossing from the right hand end via the wing rails which wasn't noticeable before: I'm wondering whther that mishap I mentioned has rendered more damage than I first thought. Perhaps weighting down the track was the wrong thing to do: it had been lying around long enough to cause a couple of the thin PCB sleepers to warp; perhaps they should have just been fixed down in their appropriated forms? Just thinking out loud folks! I'm not lifting it again, so perhaps I can learn to live with it. I'll check again once it's all wired up in the next few days. One thing I will address is that diverging side switch rail which I've noticed has since become 'ever so slightly' proud of its stock rail; now that definitely wasn't there before!!! I think a shim of whatever between the moving tie bar and the underneath of the adjacent stock rail should resolve this little problem. Otherwise, not bad for a first timer!!

Now onto connecting the wiring and some more testing with the loco. Then I'll turn my attention to getting the traverser working.......to those of a scenic bent, I offer my sincerest apologies. However, with the rapid progress I've made to date, shouldn't be too long before I get out the child friendly scissors 'n' glue and begin knocking up some warped box type constructions out of cereal packets which I hope will pass for buildings.

Regards for now,

Jonte
Conducted tests with a car on that turnout I mentioned previously; runs through smoothly enough through the approach to the crossing, so perhaps the break has done my eyesight the world of good Wink

Additionally, I've resolved the issue of the slightly proud switch rail leading to the diverging road with a tiny length of the steel wire from the wire-in-tube assembly, sandwiched between the tie bar and the stock rail. This is just the right thickness for levelling everything up. Was thinking of superglueing it on in preference to soldering, bearing in mind its proximity to the stock rail, however, bit the bullet and gingerly sweated both the wire and tiebar together on the tiniest area possible without gumming everything up in the process. I'm pleased to report that my test car goes through very smoothly.

Had enough for now fellow modellers, so think I'll call it a day.

Regards,

Jonte
I discovered this little gem the other day on Youtube, amongst several short videos in the series about the (Class III ?) Athens Line, itself among a couple of independent short lines in the Georgia area run by the Great Walton RR who I'd never heard of <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZAzewwh-eM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZAzewwh-eM</a><!-- m -->

And what a discovery, with its bargain basement rolling stock and cartoon style, dog-eared track. Wouldn't it be a joy to model that, folks?

With my current project in mind, I think it would also work well as a table top layout with a similar uncomplicated track plan. Just imagine a short train appearing from amongst the woods on one side (of the traverser); even the curves could be included in this design, the thick adjacent vegetation helping to disguise their severity. I had in mind a truncated branch for the front scenic part, with the old line continuing on into the woods to some hidden industry which could just be the opposite end of the traverser in reality. And whereas the 90* crossings are so typical of 'The Patch' in my current project, it has to be those old wooden trestle type bridges that epitomise these Georgian railways, so a short, quite low in height version situated on the curve say to the hidden industry would serve to put an identity to it.

Almost makes me want to start making trees: hundreds of them!!!! And I've still a couple more old doors in stock.......... Wink

Jonte
If you would permit just a final deviation before I return to topic, I'd like to show you the following link I found last night relating to my previous post re the Athens Line <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1857168">http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1857168</a><!-- m -->

That's the sort of low trellis bridge I had in mind, minus the iron road bridge part of course, for siting on the curve on the approach to the traverser framed by lots of vegetation.

What a beauty!

Ans as for that scruffy old loco....................now that would prove a challenge for even the eminent Mr Banna never mind somebody like me who thinks slapping on a bit of watery paint with some inappropriately coloured powders mixed in, constitutes weathering (and that's just my 'idea' of weathering as I've never weathered an item of rolling stock before). Still, I wouldn't mind having a bash. I think the Chessie livery on my Baccy Geep may have just had it's day Wink

Jonte
Back on topic, I thought I'd share some pictures with you of my progress to date which I hope you shall find of interest.

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The following shots I have tried to show at eye level. I apologise for their poor quality which is why I've attached several so that between them, you can get an idea of the tracks lie.[attachment=16252]
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It would be reasonable to doubt the efficiency of this track work: and you'd probably be right. However, I like the irregularity of its lines which I hope is a reasonable representation of the ageing rails in Downtown L.A. towards the end of the 70s.
Finally, here's one of the last two point motors in place:

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And a final shot shows the rats nest which constitutes the wiring on this layout.

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As you can see, still lots to be done, but we're getting there.

Till next time,

Jonte

jwb

Do you plan to add scenery at all? Here is typical scenery on industrial trackage in the Los Angeles area:

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Hi jwb,

Thanks for your interest and contribution. For me, that photo you've attached is so typical of the area and really inspirational Thumbsup

It seems there's so much subject matter to choose from.

What I'm intending to do, is make the model an amalgam of scenes from the environs of Industrial Street, Mateo Street and Palmetto Street, using those wonderfully atmospheric shots from Mr. Greg Loskorn's collection which I've attached as a link <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=146523255371491&set=a.146523108704839.22038.133337953356688&type=3&permPage=1">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... permPage=1</a><!-- m --> The rest (about a dozen pages or so) are listed under the title ' LA Industry Tracks - 1980 ' which are well worth a look (I'm also setting the period towards the end of the 70s). Incidentally, that first picture known as the 'brick canyon' , is what I have in mind for the curve to the left handside of the layout as you look at it, and will act as a nice view blocker for trains entering/exiting stage left. I've something similar for the right hand side curve, but have yet to make a final decision as to what the scene will be composed of (the more derelict, the better!!).

The main scene, as you look at it, will be of an alleyway with only one wall modelled otherwise it might just get a little claustrophobic bearing in mind its diminutive size.

This what I have in mind <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/emd111/3692550760/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/emd111/3692550760/</a><!-- m --> Those buildings still exist apart from the corrugated iron building in the foreground which has been replaced by a modern industrial structure. I traced it to the rear of Palmetto Street at its junction with South Santa Fe Avenue, and the large brick building in the left hand background is the rear of the landmark Nates paint and varnish supplier building on Mateo Street.

I hope as a resident of Los Angeles, jwb, that you find the results acceptable.

Regards,

Jonte
Jonte, I have been in LA three years ago and made a couple of photos in Vernon and a few in the LA warehouse district. May be they are helpful.
http://s966.photobucket.com/user/faraway...t=3&page=1
Gosh, Reinhard; thank you Thumbsup

It's like Christmas come early!!

If you read my last post (my response to jwb) you'll remember I mentioned that I was still undecided about the right hand side exit. What I had in mind were a couple of scenes, both in close proximity to each other. One involved the rails disappearing through the side of a corrugated sheet building and the other a narrow alley between low single storey buildings. I couldn't for the life of me remember where they were except that I'd first discovered them in a post in one of your many threads. And lo and behold, even though I've only had a quick flick through, I've already discovered one of the scenes - and even the original starting point in that rather elusive thread of yours Wink I know it's not in District 22, but it's still in LA so that's close enough.

I shall enjoy poring over those wonderful photos of yours and savouring the atmosphere tomorrow.

You're very kind Reinhard.

Jonte
Really awesome photos, thanks for sharing. I wish rails like those survived to this day n age, would like to see modern trains switching those old tracks.
Rscott417 Wrote:Really awesome photos, thanks for sharing. I wish rails like those survived to this day n age, would like to see modern trains switching those old tracks.

Much lamented, indeed, Rscott417.

Regards,

Jonte
I'm pleased to report that the 'off scene' section of the layout has been joined up to the scenic section and the 'fiddle yard/traverser' completed apart from fitting the wiring which will be tackled along with the rest of the wiring - which comes next.

Here are a some photos which I hope you will find of interest.

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The rest just show the home made bolts soldered up from K&S brass tubing which I've had in my modelling draw for donkeys years (I knew they'd come in handy one day!) and offcuts of the copper wire-in-tube that was lying amongst the rubbish on my desk. When positioning them, they had to be adjusted a couple of times to ensure that they slipped smoothly into into their receivers: I'm not much of an engineer, however, even I guessed that the soft brass from which they're manufactured would wear out over time, and as they also provide electrical continuity, this had to be addressed before moving on. Incidentally, I will 'gap' the PCB sleepers (ties) over the next couple of days.

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And that's it for now.

I hope you'll find it of interest, and please do not hesitate to ask if you have any questions.

Jonte
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