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jonte Wrote:... Interestingly, your method for staining the ties......apologies by the way for my misnomer (sleepers) - when will I ever get used to the fact that I'm a railroader now ? (gotta stop spelling modeling with two 'l's too Big Grin ) ..... is the same as that used by Iain Rice except that he uses an old tobacco tin for the purpose. Great idea, but in my case, I'll have to use paint due to the PCB ties in between :cry: ... Jonte

Call them sleepers if you wish ... and use the spelling "colours," too, if you wish! I was just having some fun with you. (My Grandfather immigrated here from England and he called the pink thingie on the end of a pencil a "rubber"* ... very confusing when he was asking for a larger, hand held one at the drug store! 357 :oops: )

The nylon stocking bags of ties soaked in the minwax stain in M.O.W.-yellow-painted Dinty Moore Beef Stew cans labeled "Tie Stain" so my (former) wife wouldn't throw them out! (I had to paint and label anything I was keeping or else it would disappear! "No sane person holds onto or needs a dozen old empty coffee and stew and soup cans!")

On colouring your sleepers ... you could stain the wood ones and then just paint the PCB ones ... the variation will look good! In a one foot stretch of my track, there might be 5 or 6 slightly different "coloured" ties, depending on which stain they sat in and how long their bath was.

Variation is good!



* You use one to "rub out" mistakes. :mrgreen:
P5se Camelback Wrote:...... "No sane person holds onto or needs a dozen old empty coffee and stew and soup cans!"........

On colouring your sleepers ... you could stain the wood ones and then just paint the PCB ones ... the variation will look good! In a one foot stretch of my track, there might be 5 or 6 slightly different "coloured" ties, depending on which stain they sat in and how long their bath was.

Ah, the ladies, bless ...................... Icon_lol

Good news about the sleepers............didn't think of that Nope

By the way, the pink thingie on the end of my pencil is me 357

Thanks for your post, biL.

Jonte
Hi

Does anybody know what type of industry is to the left of the following picture (adjacent to the pile(s) of earth/sand)?

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Are there pictures of any similar industries elsewhere on the forum?

Perhaps somebody knows where this was taken and even if it's still extant?

All suggestions gratefully received.

Best wishes,

Jonte
THEN

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Jonte
I'm not sure where the pic was taken or what the industry would be. There are a lot of areas in So. Central LA, East LA, as well as Vernon, Cudahy, Bell, Maywood, Southgate, and Bell Gardens that looked a lot like that. Those sheet metal buildings could contain machine shops, cabinet makers, sheet metal shops, small casting shop, as well as wholesale/retail businesses specializing in industrial products. There are probably other industries that would have used those types of buildings that I'm not thinking of right now. If those buildings are all of one manufacturing complex, they might be light manufacturing. At one time we had the following commercial trailer manufacturers in Los Angeles building trailers for the rucking industry: Pike, Utility, Fruehauf, and Trailmobile. Utility moved out of Los Angeles to the City of Industry. The rest have either gone out of business or left So Cal.
Hi Jonte

I see that you are using Google Map so I am going to assume that you have checked out the map pages as well as the street view.

Russ has covered a lot of the potential tennants of the facility and depending upon the era being modelled the facility can have changed tennants and uses more than once.

As an example, I did my 16 week Pre Apprenticeship Carpentry [Pilot Course late 1983] training at Holmesglen TAFE here in Melbourne.

The main building were we did our training started life as a newly built Tank Factory constructed during WW2.

Post War the building, given its size and crane facilities was turned into the Dept. of Housing Pre-Cast Concrete Facility which produced precast concrete panels for the construction of "Housing Commision" houses for returned servicemen.

Then in or around the late 70's early 80's the facility was truned into the TAFE college and has undergone numerous building renovatios and constructions to turn it into a world class education facility.

I would bet most current students and staff would be amazed to learn that it all started as a WW2 Tank Plant which never actually produced a tank apparently.

Mark
Russ/ Mark,

Thank you for your interest and suggestions; they are all very much appreciated, however, I am pleased to report that the mystery is now solved:



Industry believed to have been a fertiliser plant (Bandini Fertilzer) located off Boyers Avenue, LA.

Grid reference: 34° 0.055'N, 118° 10.723'W refers.

Long since gone......location is now a car park.

Bizarrely enough, premises to right of original photo are still rail served by BNSF although the original buildings have been replaced by contemporary offerings.

Still able to gain an aerial view of original site from Google Earth (Historical Images - clock icon) - (originals date from 1994) but black and white, and back then no street view facility :cry:

Would appear that demolition occurred around 2002.

Thank you once again, gentlemen.

Jonte.

PS three home made turnouts finished - next will get to grips with amending a couple of those original baseboards to create some sort of micro layout based on these images.
I remember driving past "Bandini Mountain" everyday on my way to work when I worked in So. Central L.A., but I didn't recognise the end of the fertilizer pile, and forgot what the buildings beyond the plant looked like.
We never did find the Tank that was supposed to have been buried in the grounds of the factory turned precast plant turned TAFE College. Shoot

Thinking about it further on the way to work today. If it was built as a Tank factory, I never saw any evidence of any rail lines entering the grounds and it it right next to the Holmesglen train station on the Glen Waverly line. They could have been removed when the line was modernised, especially if the precast plant wasnt using them.

TAFE stands for Technical and Further Education

Mark
Russ Bellinis Wrote:I remember driving past "Bandini Mountain" everyday on my way to work when I worked in So. Central L.A., but I didn't recognise the end of the fertilizer pile, and forgot what the buildings beyond the plant looked like.

No problem Russ; you did your best and it's appreciated.

Incidentally, what colour was Bandini Mountain ?
Mr Fixit Wrote:We never did find the Tank that was supposed to have been buried in the grounds of the factory turned precast plant turned TAFE College. Shoot

Thinking about it further on the way to work today. If it was built as a Tank factory, I never saw any evidence of any rail lines entering the grounds and it it right next to the Holmesglen train station on the Glen Waverly line. They could have been removed when the line was modernised, especially if the precast plant wasnt using them.

TAFE stands for Technical and Further Education

Mark

Now then, where's my magnet.......... Icon_lol

Jonte
Russ,

Just to remind you of what it looked like in 1994.....

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It's situated between the freeway, the railway and adjacent to the grid reference.

Jonte
Dear All.

Well, I'm somewhat of a captive audience today as I've a plumber in repairing my tank - long, rather boring story as these things usually are (no, not the tank you're thinking of Mr. Fixit Icon_lol ) so thought I'd post something here by way of an update.

I haven't been totally idle since my last posting..............it's just that after completing the third hand made point I referred to in my previous post, I decided that it was an improvement on the previous two - used the method of frog fabrication endorsed by Iain Rice - which themselves were an improvement on the first offering I made using the newly acquired NMRA standards. So, you've guessed it, I rebuilt the previous two offerings to bring them up to the standard of the third - if you follow my gist Nope
Although I promised myself I wouldn't do this lest nothing ever gets finished, well...........I'm simply incorrigible.

Anyway, spent a rather pleasant couple of days relaxing in the garden during this unseasonally excellent spell of 'LA' type weather we've been experiencing in the UK of late, cutting and laminating more bits of veneer into some sort of representation of sleep.....oops!! ties (sorry biL), so you see, some work has been completed afterall!!

I've also committed wholly to the new project by 'stripping' ALL track, roadbed and....sniff! wire in tube point control from the board which I'd previously named board #2

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so now there's NO going back !!!!! (Shaln't miss that Kadee under track magnet, though Shoot ).

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as both Bandini Fertilizer and Industrial Street (Patch) cannot be realistically accomodated in the space I will have available - approx 7' x (width to be determined) including fiddle yard of 3' x 1'. Essentially, I'll have just 4' length available for scenics, although I'm thinking of taking leaf out of Dave Long's book by not screening the fiddle yard whose length can then readily supplement it.

So there you have it................three working points - to an acceptable degree of smoothness anyway - a plan and the basis of a baseboard, so onwards and upwards.......but haven't been here before ? Wallbang

Next job ( when said tradesman has departed - probably tomorrow now as I'm visiting this evening Icon_lol ) is to join fiddle yard to board #1 (formerly known as board #2..yawn!!) and to place some templates on top in the desired configuration........runround loop with one....yes 'one' siding/team track .....to work out the dimensions of the width. I'm going to be adventurous, seeing it's only little (diorama) and make an attempt at curving the front, sides and rear, but as I'm useless at carpentry as well, that might not actually happen, but we'll see Wink

Once the extra bits of timber are cut to facilitate, I shall return to the issue of tracklaying and , at last, get on with fabricating (one done already) - but most importantly - fitting those excellent little manual point controls to 'Kurt's' design. Just hope mine actually work.

Perhaps this one will actually get built afterall?

Best wishes,

Jonte
jonte Wrote:
Russ Bellinis Wrote:I remember driving past "Bandini Mountain" everyday on my way to work when I worked in So. Central L.A., but I didn't recognise the end of the fertilizer pile, and forgot what the buildings beyond the plant looked like.

No problem Russ; you did your best and it's appreciated.

Incidentally, what colour was Bandini Mountain ?

I went on vacation early on April 16, and didn't see this post until I got back. "Bandini Mountain" was brown. It was a big pile of fertilizer. The Bandini Fertilizer Company used to have a commercial featuring someone skiing down "Bandini Mountain" which was a big pile of fertilizer, so the pile of fertilizer at the Bandini site was referred to as "Bandini Mountain" by most folks around here!
Brown, hey?

You do surprise me; I was thinking grey Nope

Thanks for the reply, Russ.

Best wishes,

Jonte
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