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Tyson Rayles Wrote:Nice progress. You might want to start posting the pics here as those trail version ones can disappear after awhile.

I wasn't aware of that, Mike, so thanks. I'll look into it.

Funnily enough, after my rather long hiatus, I'd forgotten which (free) resource I'd used previously to resize my images, so opted for this one (it was the first free version I found that didn't alarm my antivirus thingy!). Later, I remembered......... Irfanview.

I keep meaning to change back, so your post has provided the impetus I need.

Thanks for looking in Thumbsup

Jonte
Dear All,

In light of Mike's (Tyson Rayles's) heads-up regarding the unsuitability of my current photoshop thingymajigs for editing posted photos - I believe my current freebe version has only a finite life before the photos vanish into the Ether - I decided to pursue the last free download app. I used: 'Irfanview' (no connection...).

In an effort to refamiliarise myself with the process - actually very straight forward - I decided to post the following photos of a cheapo 'British' card kit intended as this <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=superquick+market+house&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fkE0U5vII8mp7QaCxoH4Bw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=785#facrc=_&imgrc=IcC3dA6zRhDfFM%253A%3BzXbeCCv2jzi2sM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.cravenmodels.com%252FSUPERQUICK_files%252Fimage113.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.cravenmodels.com%252FSUPERQUICK.htm%3B400%3B334">https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=super ... B400%3B334</a><!-- m --> that I kit bashed last year into something vaguely resembling early Victorian railway architecture that you find in and around Liverpool, or any UK city for that matter, especially those penetrated by the old Great Western Railway or even early LNWR. Enhanced(?) with some bits of card, balsa and more of the wire-in-tube stuff that was lying around, I think it came out ok and I sincerely hope you don't mind me sharing the results of the build with you.

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However, just in case anyone should think I've totally lost the plot and gone abjectly off topic, there is also method in my madness.

Although a little early in the day, thoughts have already turned to the scenic elements of the build for which I plan to employ a variety of methods - some familiar, some not so - to represent the built environment. What I'd like to do, is employ as much texture into my modelling as possible without going over board, of course (must try and keep to scale). However, as several of the buildings will be located some distance from the observer, I reckon IMHO, that texturing would be a waste of time and a suitably 'weathered' medium would be more than adequate. For instance, the narrow corridor between adjacent buildings or 'brick canyon' as it is commonly referred to, portrayed in the several photos on this page <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.bobsgardenpath.com/ATSF_ThePatch.html">http://www.bobsgardenpath.com/ATSF_ThePatch.html</a><!-- m --> would be a case in point. As I intend to erect a picture frame type front to the layout for the observer to view through, this will in effect prevent them from viewing the corridor at a distance of less than a foot and as the adjacent buildings could throw shadow onto the area, any attempt at texturing would be lost to - except to me of course, as I would know it was there even if it wasn't glaringly obvious. Therefore, rather than go through the protracted process of constructing bricked up windows and lintels in plasticard before having to persuade them to hold a curved shape etc, I could quite easily, and more quickly, create the same scene from some of the better printed brick papers available these days, a medium far easier to cut and contour and easily downloadable. I'm quite impressed, like a lot of we UK modellers, with the products produced by 'Scalescene' <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scalescenes.com/">http://www.scalescenes.com/</a><!-- m --> which are not only available in a variety of appearances e.g. old/weathered etc...
but also can be printed to a variety of scales, including HO, with various types of lintels available for widows and doors too - I think they'd be ideal to portray at least one of those walls!!! Once sprayed with a suitable artists' varnish and suitably weathered with some cheapo powders as per my paper edifice above, I'm sure it will look quite effective - from that given distance, of course!! Even if it turned out to be a total disaster, there would be little in the way of time and money wasted, so in effect, it wouldn't be much of a wasted effort. Anyway, just thinking out loud and getting to grips with the 'editor'.

The next stage will be to construct a simple light frame to hold my light source - that fluorescent I mentioned earlier in the thread - and I really will try and keep this as light as possible as I'm quickly approaching critical mass here as far as my back's concerned Sad Then I can cut and hang the picture frame front (with short wings at each end) which will raise and lower on a piano hinge I've got out in the garage somewhere to ease rail cleaning/maintenace etc.

I can then work out the final location and sizes of the curved back scene. Then, and only then, can I get down to the good part - although I must say I've thoroughly enjoyed the whole process so far. A great hobby!

Till next time,

Jonte
It is amazing what can be build from a card kit. A beautiful building with lots of three-dimensional details.
That's very kind of you to say so, Reinhard.

Thank you.

Jonte
faraway Wrote:It is amazing what can be build from a card kit. A beautiful building with lots of three-dimensional details.

Cheers No kidding! Very effective!
Ralph Wrote:
faraway Wrote:It is amazing what can be build from a card kit. A beautiful building with lots of three-dimensional details.

Cheers No kidding! Very effective!

Thanks, Ralph. Glad you like it. Just the sum total of a number of 'happy accidents' really, but it was a good learning curve.

Jonte
A little more progress...................

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To try and keep the burgeoning weight of this build to a minimum, I had the hardware store plane the wood down to a thickness of half an inch.

Mainly pinned and glued, it's as strong as it needs to be, and at merely nine inches above track level, it's at maximum height if I'm to squeeze it the layout through the door.

Jonte
'Let there be light.......................'

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jonte
The hinged picture frame window finished........at last.

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jonte
An aside.

This arrived midweek:

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A Badger air compressor, I've never used one before; certainly not on an item of rolling stock of any sort. Previously, I've sprayed thinned coats of varnish onto the surface of card buildings such as the one posted above, and bits of balsa using a Badger air brush attached to those propellant type tins, but never anything requiring any specific skill or familiarity with a serious piece of kit such as this Nope
So, as you might have guessed, I'm eager to give this a blast. But on what?

May I introduce my first victim:

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Yep, it's that nice little Bachmann GP 38-2 again - or at least the body this time - draped in those unflattering Chessie colours which just have to go.

As I say, I've never attempted anything like this before, but frankly I need a break from all this wood work stuff and, well, I just want to give it a go.

So what colours and finish should I choose: well, I suppose it should be suitable for the era and location I've chosen - yellow and blue, bearing the legacy(legacy?...... Icon_lol apologies, legend) 'Santa Fe' in large yellow letters on the sides, I should imagine - however, I've little access here to the appropriate decals needed and quite honestly, I'd prefer to use what I've got which consists merely of a limited palette of ageing enamel paints and absolutely no decals apart from some numerals in a sort of silver colour.
So, I reckon (please correct me if I'm wrong) that I should opt for something leased(?) in a simple overall colour of say black or grey as I've got loads of paint in those colours. Other colours are also available.

Additionally - drawing a deep breath - I want to aim for a highly weathered, extreme weathered finish just to see if I can emulate some of the rust and dust that appears on many locos picture in the RR Archive galleries that I so enjoy exploring. Yes, I know it sounds as though I'm biting off far more than I can chew, but if push comes to shove, I can always strip the paint off using Dettol and start again!!

My plan in brief, is to remove the handrails using a scalpel (unfortunately, these are moulded or glued on) then rub down the moulded grab irons. Then, rather than stripping off the paint, I'm going to give it a thorough wash in detergent then leave to dry for several days. Having done so, I'm going to spray the whole thing with a grey primer from a spray can, then decide where I want areas of rust to show through. Having determined this, with the first blast of my virgin compressor, I shall introduce a rust mix of a suitable colour which I'll apply in thin coats. Then, I'll mix up another shade of rust to apply to parts of the designated rust areas: 'neat' to be drybrushed and a 'thin wash' of the same into which I may mix some fine weathering powders I've got (no idea of the make) to create a bit of texture. Following this, an undercoat of slightly thinned dark grey paint will be sprayed onto the model apart from the rust areas which will have been masked prior to spraying. Then, thin washes of varying shades of top coat will be applied in stages and/or washed on with a paint brush to allow the lower layers to show through - I used this technique on the roof slates of the building shown further up the the thread which I think you can detect. Finally, dirt and other deposits can be built up using the same techniques in appropriate shades from the tinlets strewn across my desk, and streaks applied with a wide artists brush and thinners using a downward motion. Rust steaks, where required, will be applied using layers of rust colour dry brushed on through a 'mask'. To finish, the whole will be dressed with a light wafting of powders. At some point during the latter stages of painting, I will apply some replacement grab irons using a kit I bought a couple of years ago during my previous dalliance with the Dark Side.

Now, I reiterate: I've never done this before and I've really no idea if it'll work, however, I intend to have fun trying Wink

Whether a loco in such an extreme condition would ever have plied the iron roads of Downtown LA in the late seventies, I can't say, so I shall be guided by the thoughts of any kind soul that could advise. I'd certainly be grateful of any reasons or excuses for using a loco not of the Santa Fe fleet, and any suggestions as to a possible suitable livery would be welcome (especially a single colour). Incidentally, with regard to the loco number, I was thinking of placing a grey patch over where the numerals would have appeared, the reason being that said loco had been pressed into service prior to numbers being applied. Sound plausible?

Thanks for your interest.

jonte

Need to get into the habit of reading this stuff before pressing 'submit' Wink

jwb

Santa Fe switchers in downtown Los Angeles in the late 1970s would be mainly CF7s. Earlier in the 1970s you might see Alco S-2s and S-4s. The Southern Pacific, which ran within a block or two of the Santa Fe trackage, would have been using EMD SW1500s. That was about it for downtown LA. The Santa Fe basically didn't have GP38-2s; the SP got some very late, but they were a type with different details from the Bachmann version. If you wanted to use an out of the box inexpensive loco, your best bet by far would be Bachmann Santa Fe S-2 or S-4.

A much later choice, especially for single color, would be Helm GP38-2s, which have turned up on the UP out here:

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Hi jwb and many thanks for your prompt response.

I like the look of the CF7 which I think - from what I can gather on the net - were fitted with a Topeka(?) round or angular topped cab. I think I'm right in saying that a model of either type isn't available, although I think I read that a manufacturer was thinking of releasing one in the near future?

With regard to the S-2/4: funnily enough, I have one (an Atlas model) which I purchased second hand a couple of years ago with a view to turning it into a Santa Fe loco in black/dark blue with silver/white decals. I went as far as stripping the loco of its Central Illinois livery and purchasing the appropriate (Micro Mark?) decals from the States. Unfortunately, to protect the delicate handrails etc from the stripping agent (Dettol), I removed them and put them somewhere for safe keeping: so safe, I still can't find them, even after searching high and low!

Consequently, I have to persevere with my only remaining loco i.e. the GP 38. I do like the look of the red loco in the photo you've kindly attached to this thread, and this is definitely worthy of further research; even if I may have to use modeller's license and warp history slightly to the effect that the rails along District 22 remained in service several years later than they actually did.

Thanks for your help,

jonte

jwb

CF7s were done by Athearn, and I think they may have more in the pipeline. Any version would be appropriate. Here is one working the Amtrak 8th St Yard, which would probably have been the same job working downtown LA at that time:

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Highball Graphics does a set of decals for the Helm GP38-2 <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mgdecals.com/L-215.htm">http://www.mgdecals.com/L-215.htm</a><!-- m -->
That's interesting, jwb. I wasn't aware of that so thank you.

Thanks also for the info re the decals.

jonte
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