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Hainesport Industrial park-

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Roosevelt paper

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Atlantic Wood

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Justin;

Just a little reminder before you start purchasing cars for your layout. If your time period is 1980, the following railroads did not exist:
AOK (Arkansas-Oklahoma)
BNSF (Burlington Northern Santa Fe)
Pan AM (Guilford Transportation)
NS (Norfolk Southern)
WC (Wisconsin Central Ltd).

CSX Transportation formed in 1980, so a couple of cars with those reporting marks would be okay and very clean looking too.

Oh yes, almost forgot; no 73 ft center beams either.

On a brighter note; you'd be able to run a lot of those short line IPD box cars. Was a more colorful and interesting time than today. And spray paint graffiti was almost non-existent too!

I've got a few roads that are too modern for my layout and will be painting them in more appropriate schemes as time permits.
FCIN Wrote:Justin;

Just a little reminder before you start purchasing cars for your layout. If your time period is 1980, the following railroads did not exist:
AOK (Arkansas-Oklahoma)
BNSF (Burlington Northern Santa Fe)
Pan AM (Guilford Transportation)
NS (Norfolk Southern)
WC (Wisconsin Central Ltd).

CSX Transportation formed in 1980, so a couple of cars with those reporting marks would be okay and very clean looking too.

Oh yes, almost forgot; no 73 ft center beams either.

On a brighter note; you'd be able to run a lot of those short line IPD box cars. Was a more colorful and interesting time than today. And spray paint graffiti was almost non-existent too!

I've got a few roads that are too modern for my layout and will be painting them in more appropriate schemes as time permits.

Hmm... Well before I start building the layout I want to consider all possible choices, so if you guys know of any other industrial parks that I could model in my space PLEASE let me know
Justinmiller171 Wrote:Hmm... Well before I start building the layout I want to consider all possible choices, so if you guys know of any other industrial parks that I could model in my space PLEASE let me know

That question is so very open it is a save inhibitor for any further progress other than paper planning. I seriously suggest you start building the layout now.
faraway Wrote:
Justinmiller171 Wrote:Hmm... Well before I start building the layout I want to consider all possible choices, so if you guys know of any other industrial parks that I could model in my space PLEASE let me know

That question is so very open it is a save inhibitor for any further progress other than paper planning. I seriously suggest you start building the layout now.

I agree! Cheers

Don't succumb to "analysis paralysis". To consider ALL possibilities would take an infinite amount of time, so settle on a plan that is solid and you can build (or build on). Remember "The Perfect is the enemy of The Good".


Andrew
Justinmiller171 Wrote:
FCIN Wrote:Justin;

Just a little reminder before you start purchasing cars for your layout. If your time period is 1980, the following railroads did not exist:

Hmm... Well before I start building the layout I want to consider all possible choices, so if you guys know of any other industrial parks that I could model in my space PLEASE let me know

The whole industrial park did not exist in the VERY late 80s, early 90s. In fact, almost NONE of the businesses on that map were there until very recently. Atlantic Wood appeared sometime in the mid 60s, not long before 1965. Doolan was there alittle earlier, but with no rail connection in 1956. Roosevelt paper is "new" construction. If you want to do Hainesport, you almost have to do it in the modern day, as Hainesport was in the past just a flag stop on the PRR until passenger trains stopped running. then it was nothing.
Justinmiller171 Wrote:Hmm... Well before I start building the layout I want to consider all possible choices, so if you guys know of any other industrial parks that I could model in my space PLEASE let me know

I'm going to give you some suggestions, but i strongly reccomend researching this yourself. See if you local library has any railroad books that pertain to your interests. if you can find some cheap on amazon, ask about the, and then pick up your own small library. Research is a part of life.

Anyways, my final suggestions

Morristown & Erie-

The Morristown & Erie was a shortline railroad in northern New Jersey, which has a mainly Alco fleet since 1982, when the bankrupt shortline was bought by a financial group. The Alco Centurys were all unwanted Conrail units. I'm pretty sure they serve a few industrial parks, and if you track their lines using bing, Google Earth, and Historic Aerials, you should be able to find a branch or industrial area that you can model in the 1980s with Alcos and first-generation EMDs.

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Also, if you want to just see track and figure out the trains later, Conrail ZTS charts.

You WILL find plenty of industrial parks, and the maps describe everything about the tracks.

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MasonJar Wrote:
faraway Wrote:That question is so very open it is a save inhibitor for any further progress other than paper planning. I seriously suggest you start building the layout now.

I agree! Cheers

Don't succumb to "analysis paralysis". To consider ALL possibilities would take an infinite amount of time, so settle on a plan that is solid and you can build (or build on). Remember "The Perfect is the enemy of The Good".


Andrew

Exactly! you need to settle on something, or you'll never get anywhere. It seems your problem is that you're trying to combine to many unusual things. Its giving your layout a major identity crisis and this needs to be resolved before you begin.

Not that the weren't industrial parks in the 1980s, but they weren't around then like the are around now. In those days, there was still branch lines with industries along them.

Alcos aren't really conducive with the 1980s, with only a few operators left (mostly short-lines like the M&E mentioned above)


Bottom line, get out there, read books, watch DVDs, cruise RRPictureArchives.net , and research it yourself. find your model train identity.
This is my favorite version of the track-plan:
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I still have to get some foam, paint the backdrop, and then get track, so I have plenty of time to choose a theme.

My track-plan could remain the same with whatever theme I choose: http://oscalewcor.blogspot.com/2011/01/g...eling.html
Justinmiller171 Wrote:This is my favorite version of the track-plan:
I still have to get some foam, paint the backdrop, and then get track, so I have plenty of time to choose a theme.

My track-plan could remain the same with whatever theme I choose: http://oscalewcor.blogspot.com/2011/01/g...eling.html


What happened to the track you had? I thought i saw a half finished layout that by you somewhere on here. Then again, i might just be insane. I'm sure this goes without saying, but invest in Flex track. I've just spent the last few days ripping out the old sectional track on my layout. Besides, flex is cheaper than sectional.
Well, The turnouts that I have currently is falling apart, I bought it used at the hobby store and the rails have begun to fall of the ties, The turnouts are also not DCC-friendly so it would require alot of modification.

I know I Could fix the turnouts but it would take way too much time, plus the track has other problems such as melted ties.
Justinmiller171 Wrote:Well, The turnouts that I have currently is falling apart, I bought it used at the hobby store and the rails have begun to fall of the ties, The turnouts are also not DCC-friendly so it would require alot of modification.

I know I Could fix the turnouts but it would take way too much time, plus the track has other problems such as melted ties.

Well, I think i saw it earlier in your thread, laying quality track work is essential. Those Peco turnouts are good stuff, and I've built much of my new trackage with them. I wouldn't bother fixing old turnouts, its probably more of a headache than its worth. Get something new that you know works.

Do you have a dremel tool? any work you'd need to do would be quickly accomplished with this handy piece of equipment. I used to use the razor saws, but not anymore!
Green_Elite_Cab Wrote:Not that the weren't industrial parks in the 1980s, but they weren't around then like the are around now. In those days, there was still branch lines with industries along them.
Actually, there were more rail served industries in industrial parks in the 70's and 80's then there are now. You can find examples all over the country where a rail spur serves an industrial area, but most of the customers have either closed or no longer ship/receive by rail. And yes, there were more branch lines that had industries scattered along them then there are today, but lines being abandoned or sold to short lines that couldn't build a traffic base have killed off a lot of them. I know of many such examples around this part of the country.

Industrial Parks as we've come to know them, started appearing all over the country in the early to mid 60's. Unfortunately, since then, many businesses have folded or stopped using rail service, so it's very common to see industrial lines that have a lot of unused tracks and structures on them. This in one reason, I prefer to base my layout in the late 70's to early 80's. Not only was it a more colorful era, there were more railroads too, which equates to more variety on your layout.

Just a local example of how industrial parks have changed:

An industrial park started being developed here in Frankfort, KY, in the early 60's, just outside of town at Jett, KY on the L&N. When I worked for the L&N through the 70's the following industries were located in Jett:

Southern States Co-Op - received tank cars of LP Gas
Lee Masonry Products - received box cars and bulkhead flats of brick which they unloaded at Jett and then trucked about 8 miles to the other side of town to their facility.
Frank F. Taylor Company - received box cars of material used for making baby beds and strollers
Union Underwear Company - received box cars of fabric materials and shipped occasional loads of unmentionables (tee shirts and undies)
Fast Food Merchandisers - received reefers of french fries for distribution to Hardee's
General Electric - Plastics plant that manufactured refrigerator liners which were then trucked to the GE plant in Louisville.
Our L&N local, always had work to do at Jett every day during this time and this doesn't even cover all the industries that were located here in town and the branch line to Old Taylor and Old Crow distilleries, which was operated by a second train crew six nights a week.
Around 1985, when the F&C railroad ceased operations, National Distillers built a tank car transload at Jett for shipments of grain alcohol that had been handled on the F&C.

Here's what exists there today:
National Distillers is now Jim Beam Distillers and they still receive the alcohol tank cars, but only now and then; maybe one or two per week when the Old Grandad plant is in production.
Strategic Materials Inc - loads covered hoppers with broken glass from the nearby Toyota plant for recycling. 3 or 4 cars per week
Washington Penn Plastics (the former GE plant) has actually expanded and is the main customer; producing various plastic parts for both the auto industry and others. R J Corman has car loads of plastic pellets destined to this plant stored in every available track along the line.

As for the other industries. Frank Taylor and Union Underwear both closed their plants in the mid to late 80's and their tracks were removed. Couldn't compete with foreign manufacturers. Southern States demand for LP Gas has fallen off, so they simply truck what they need from another facility and their track has been removed. Lee Masonry, constructed a new facility in Lexington, KY, and trucks the brick from Lexington to their facility in Frankfort. Fast Food Merchandisers sold their facility to another company who no longer receives rail shipments, so their track was also removed.

You can find examples like this all over the country. Didn't mean to hijack the thread, but thought it might give you some ideas and examples for a theme and era to model. Going backward in time equals more rail served industries - going forward equals less.

Justin;
If you are satisfied with your current track plan, then just go freelance and start building it. It can be anything you like and by freelancing, you aren't tying yourself to specific industries and car types. Your layout can be any railroad that suits your fancy, just make it believable and operate it like a real railroad. Pick industries that you like and provide good operation and equipment variety. You can do like a lot of modelers and just create your own railroad company.

Later on, if you decide you want to change themes and your layout, then you'll have the experience behind you and can build an even better layout.

By all means, go with Peco turnouts, at least for your first efforts. Won't cost you any more than other turnouts and they are very reliable. I have some that are 20 years old and have been used on several different layouts over the past few years and never had a problem with them. As GEC says, use flex track and if you can get a Dremel motor tool. They are really handy for all sorts of projects.
So I think the first project I should work on is painting the backdrop, then I should glue down the foam sheets, then I can lay track. The foam and backdrop can get finished fairly soon, however it will take awhile to get all of the track down. I am thinking I could build the layout in stages, starting with the top part, that way I can get some trains running fairly quickly.

I am really excited about this layout, I hope I can build this layout until it is at least "Good Enough"

Here is the newest track-plan, It is not based on any prototypical location, and once again it is mainly just industry changes:
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Justin;

Was just thinking, don't you have room on the right hand side of your plan where you could put a narrow staging track? Even if it had to be made removable? Would just add a little more operation to your plan if you could work it in.

I like the Gallo Wine beer distribution facility idea. We have a similar operation nearby in Lexington, called Eagle Distribution located at the NS yard. If you look at this Bing view of the facility http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qb6mvg7...orm=LMLTCC, you can clearly see a MRS 60ft RBL of Budweiser spotted there along with two more in the yard. Also, the structure is built of precast concrete sections similar to what you can get from Great West Models http://greatwestmodels.com/ Shame you can't get models in the MRS paint scheme (as far as I know) or it would make for nice occasional load for my ISL; even another potential industry.
FCIN Wrote:Actually, there were more rail served industries in industrial parks in the 70's and 80's then there are now. You can find examples all over the country where a rail spur serves an industrial area, but most of the customers have either closed or no longer ship/receive by rail. And yes, there were more branch lines that had industries scattered along them then there are today, but lines being abandoned or sold to short lines that couldn't build a traffic base have killed off a lot of them. I know of many such examples around this part of the country.

Industrial Parks as we've come to know them, started appearing all over the country in the early to mid 60's. Unfortunately, since then, many businesses have folded or stopped using rail service, so it's very common to see industrial lines that have a lot of unused tracks and structures on them. This in one reason, I prefer to base my layout in the late 70's to early 80's. Not only was it a more colorful era, there were more railroads too, which equates to more variety on your layout.


You can find examples like this all over the country. Didn't mean to hijack the thread, but thought it might give you some ideas and examples for a theme and era to model. Going backward in time equals more rail served industries - going forward equals less.

I was just browsing around on Historic Aerials, and I think I saw what you meant before i read it. My local area doesn't seem to follow this trend, but others did. I had falsely assumed it was like this everywhere. Industrial parks are not really prominently pictured or mentioned in most of my books (or at the very least, they are not pointed out).
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